Kinzel hints at 2011 ride in Sandusky Register

Yeah, Pagoda, I miss the good flume too, especially when looking at the piece of crap that replaced it ( :( ), but I'd still rather ride the little flume in Snoopyland (Nickland in the past), than StR.

While I understand your point, Carrie, you seem to be forgetting that Walkmans suck, compared to Ipods. The analogy is different, because WWL didn't suck, especially compared to StR, at least in my eyes. :)

Is StR the only "flume" in the world to have the less thrilling drop after the more thrilling drop? Why was it designed this way?

I like DW's flume, as sated a hundred times in this thread, and it doesn't have traditional bench seating. I can't pinpoint, other than the track and layout, what irks me about StR's design. I wonder what makes StR so "Blaah" to me?

I'll stop complaining about the new water ride, for now. Maybe I should just go ride it and see for myself. :p

The analogy is different, because WWL didn't suck, especially compared to StR, at least in my eyes.

Quoted for Truthiness.

I nominate Carrie's for post of the year.

Carrie M. said:
I know how Cedar Point feels. When I bought my first iPod I received all kinds of criticism. "Why didn't you buy the traditional Walkman," they all asked me incredulously. "A Walkman still works great and many others are still using them."

Hang in there, Cedar Point. ;)

Pfft. Who wants a new-fangled portable cassette player? You should have stuck with one of these.

Or maybe those big headphones with the telescoping antenna that picked up radio stations...those were awesome.

Today's modern is tomorrow's nostalgia. You'll have a new generation loathing the removal of StR online 30 years from now.

"just slightly ahead of our time."

That made me smile. :)

LostKause said: I'll stop complaining about the new water ride, for now. Maybe I should just go ride it and see for myself. :p

Wait...all this time you've been complaining about the ride and you haven't even experienced it? Sigh.....

Gonch: Where did you find THAT!

I love that user interface! Buttons are boring. We need more stuff that has interesting controls.

One question, though, for Travis--
How do you know that the "more thrilling drop" is the first one on Shoot the Rapids? Remember, the ride has story elements to it, and the second, shorter drop is the one that doesn't dump out into the end of a big pond, and that has the spray jets and stuff on it. Because of the nature of the ride, I am not sure that I would qualify either drop as more- or less-thrilling than the other.

Yeah, you ought to ride it. Just be prepared to get good and wet in case they put you up front.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

I'm sure it's not the first time he'll be wet up front :)

^Boo... Hiss...

How many of you have actually ridden STR?

Have you looked at people when they get off the ride? The ride is an absolute hit with the guests that don't bitch about new rides on discussion forums.

You obviously have not ridden it. The second drop is the one that gets people wet (in the front)...the drops are two different experiences. Yes, the first is taller and more breathtaking, but the second is the soaker-splash and has the extra theming built around it.

Old flumes are boring. Great for grandma and grandpa remembering the good ol' days, but not for mush else. I don't miss my family straddling one another in WWL's boats for a second.

So if other people state their opinions about the relative merits of a new flume design versus traditional rides, they're 'bitching'? But your opinion -- "Old flumes are boring. Great for grandma and grandpa remembering the good ol' days, but not for mush (sic) else." -- is okay, and is apparently unequivocal fact?

::shakes head::

I'm only speaking in the same manner as everyone else. That was the point.

It's ridiculous.

Let me say this: One reason I have always enjoyed CP is that it is always evolving. It is not afraid of change, nor is it afraid to let things go. I dig that. I like throwing stuff away.

I'm not a big fan of the old time log flumes. I was when I was a kid, but I find them rather boring, and while I enjoyed WWL in its day, its day had long past for me. I think STR is a step in the right direction. It's not too different (like the "reverse" flume), but yet different enough to make it more interesting.

I like it. Apparently the public likes it as well after seeing the hour plus waits it has had. Plus, it looks 100 times better than WWL's ugly greenish troughs. Yea...that looked real natural.

It's ridiculous that other people still like traditional flume designs? Or that some of them don't like Shoot the Rapids as much? Or that they choose to state their opinions in a forum about amusement park rides?

See, when you say that you find the old flumes boring now, or that WWL's green troughs were butt-ugly, those are perfectly legitimate opinions. And I don't think your stating them is in any way 'bitching'. But I'd sure appreciate it if you extended others the same respect. :)

Sorry if you missed the sarcasm, Ensign...your point was exactly what I was putting into words; the notion that everyone here clearly has different opinions about STR and WWL, and that so much time is spent trying to convince the other "side" that one is more legitimate than the other.

:)

You know, my sarcasm-o'-meter has been on the fritz lately...better get it into the shop. ;)

Personally, I was kinda enjoying the lively debate. But on the other hand, I am starting to feel like I've talked enough about the finer points of flume rides.

Since I won't get to CP this year until October, I won't get to ride STR, but now that I've stopped to think about the log vs. boat thing, I'd take Plunge at HW over WWL any day. I'd probably take it over the flume at Hershey too, which I genuinely love.

Ensign Smith said:
So if other people state their opinions about the relative merits of [insert ride A] design versus [insert ride B], they're 'bitching'? But your opinion -- "[insert opinion]" -- is okay, and is apparently unequivocal fact?

Did you just join this forum? Or was that question rhetorical.. :)

If only y'all could hear my tone throughout this whole discussion, you'd know that I'm not really "bitching". I'm umm... observing in a funny way. I'm poking fun at the ride, hence the smileys! :)

So far, my experience with StR is only what I can see in the net.

Unlike WWL, the non lift/drop portions of StR go only one speed... painfully slow.

What's with the roller coaster track on parts of the ride? I thought that this was supposed to be a flume. Lame.

That last drop of StR, the soaker, looks ridiculous, from video that I have seen. It slowly falls down the tiny roller coaster drop, into some mist and rock formations, skids across the water a little, (which is just fine so far,) then comes to a quick slow-down when the front of the boat dunks under the water. "I hate it when that happens." :)

Almost everything that I have seen with the new ride looks pretty bad, except for maybe the themeing. I really don't know what difference actually riding it will have on my opinion, but I know what kind of rides I like.

The theaming and the tunnel is the best parts.

The rest of the ride is a snooze fest. I have been on it 4 times only because it was a walk on and we were soaked at that point.

There are no rapids, it's slow, They force you to sit in seats you don't want to sit in,they will not let you group sit together some times, it's broke down more than it's not, you get soaked in the front roy(we were forced to sit in the front all 4 times), they have power washers at the bottom of the last hill that spray you in the face,not to mention that I hate the water cannons.

I will take a typical fiberglass flume over STR anyday.

Pilgrims Plunge is the middle of the road compared to flumes in my opinion, a great drop, but it doesnt have anything else. Its the TTD of flumes, which makes it fun and something I will ride baring a long line/cold weather anytime I visit Holiday World, but if you were to ask me to pick between the Plunge and Frightful Falls as which was my favorite I would have a hard time picking. I love the dark tunnel at the beginning of Frightful Falls.

The "Big Drop" should be the finale of a flume, not the only thing. I like my flumes to either have mulitiple drops, or sections where the thing starts zipping down the flume. I dont care either way for long elevated sections, if its elevated and slow moving color me not impressed. Of all the flumes Ive ridden, these would be the ones I label as excellent with my favorite one first:
-Splash Mountain @ WDW
-Dudley Do Right's Ripsaw Falls
-Paul Buyon Log Flume @ Nick U
-Canobie Lake's Flume
-Dorney Park's Flume
-Yule Log @ Santa's Village Jefferson, NH
-SFFT's Flume
-Kennywood's Flume