Kings Island new Coaster 2014

Pagoda Gift Shop said:

According to rcdb, Banshee will be 2:40 in ride time. Compare that to 3:10 for Alpengeist. I think what that means is speed with less filler. Banshee really doesn't have any straight, meandering sections of track.

I'd credit the faster time more to the lack of mid-course brake and shorter lift.

I've never figured out ride times. For instance, isn't Millennium Force about a minute from dispatch to brakes? Is Alpie really 3 times longer? Even if you give an extra minute for lift, that's still a really big difference.

Alpie also isn't zipping around at 93 mph.

Yeah, but it's also about 60% of the length.

Length doesn't matter. Its how you use it! Oh wait, what were we talking about again?

~Rob

Yeah I don't know what the "official" time entails. IMO (sorry, bjames), the official time ought to be dispatch to first contact with the final brakes.

MF is about a minute from the top of the lift to the brakes. Throw in the ~20 sec lift and a few seconds of crawl from the moment you hit the brakes until you actually reach the unloading station and I could see about 1:45. CP's website says 2 minutes, which is a stretch, and RCDB says 2:20, which I don't see at all.

Offical POV for MF is 2:24. Train sits in station for a couple of seconds before starting up hill. Reaches top of hill about 32 seconds in and hits brakes at about 1:42. 2:24 is when train stops in unloading area.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbXPhOFRxTc

I think I've completely convinced myself now that the new double inversion element following the zero-g-roll is a dive loop (like the first inversion), and an immelmann, which is super awesome.

Apologies if someone else has already mentioned this. I just don't have time to comb through 44 pages of replies.

It's technically called a pretzel knot or something like that.

Isn't it called a Batwing?

It's officially being called a Batwing, but the way it crosses over itself upon entry and exit makes it a little more pretzel-y.

Also, looks like the bigger size does make it more of a dive loop/immelman than the old, stiffer-looking corkscrew/half-loop into half-loop/corkscrew combo we know as the Batwing on Montu:

Either way, I'm ok with calling it a Batwing. Seems like a natural evolution of the design/idea.

Not according to RCDB. They consider that inversion one of two pretzal knots in the world. Then there is the classic B&M flyer pretzal loop, and that is different.

Yeah, I'm gonna go with Kings Island on this one.

Imagine Tyler when Millennium Force was announced and we talked about overbanks. Oh wait, he wasn't born yet.

Odd. I would swear that RCDB listed it as a Batwing around the time of the announcement.

In fact, I know it wasn't listed as a Pretzel Knot, because when I posted this, there was only one such element listed on RCDB--Moonsault's.

All this talk of pretzels is making me thirsty!

Jeff said:

Imagine Tyler when Millennium Force was announced and we talked about overbanks. Oh wait, he wasn't born yet.

Yeah us old fogies remember what it was like before we had to stay off of your lawn. Imagine if he were around when we were talking about your grass growing?

~Rob

Jeff said:
Imagine Tyler when Millennium Force was announced and we talked about overbanks. Oh wait, he wasn't born yet.

I was alive, out of the womb, and potty trained when MF was built. I don't know if I could use a coaster enthusiast forum yet because I certainly wasn't a coaster enthusiast yet.

Every time I hear the term "pretzel knot", it makes me think of the pretzel hold joke. :)

http://youtu.be/DRaLpHoZA8E