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You never watched Avatar: The last Airbender, Invader Zim, The Fairly Oddparents, Jimmy Neutron, or Spongebob Squarepants? Those are some very good shows.

In my case, I quit watching kids cartoons a few years ago, with a few exceptions. I think that maybe some of my dislike for the newest shows is because I have grown out of it.

I did catch an episode of Barnyard recently, and I really liked it.

The 90's were good to us as far as Nicktoon go. Ren and Stimpy, Rocko's Modern Life, Doug, and Rugrats were awesome.

I also don't think it's right to suggest that the Peanuts are only visible to kids during the holiday shows. You can find Peanuts merchandise in the stores.

Whitman's chocolate has a license with them, so you can see them in the stores pretty much year round during each holiday push. You can find them on greeting cards, too. And I'm wearing a Snoopy band-aid right now! :)

I don't argue that Nick is more popular with kids. But it's not right to suggest the Peanuts are a foreign concept to them.

Carrie M. said:
But it's not right to suggest the Peanuts are a foreign concept to them.

Not foreign, per se, but much, much less relevant.

Kids know who they are, but most don't care...or at the very least, don't care as much as they would about more current properties - especially Nick.

I do think a lot of you are either:

1. Looking at it through the eyes of an adult

or

2. Giving kids WAY too much credit for giving a crap about things that mattered when we were young.

Camden Crazy said:
Other than SpongeBob, every single regular 90's Nick show is eons better than any show they have on there now.

That's called getting older. I'd argue that my 80's Nickeldeon had better shows than your 90's version and my kids will bitch that the 00's had better shows than the crap those kids watch in the 10's and so on.

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Out of curiousity I'd wonder how any of you feel about how Looney Tunes compares. Or even Scooby Doo?

Let's ask it in a different way. Do you see more shopping bags in the Nick parks, or the Peanuts parks? Are the contents of those bags more or less profitable?

I don't know. I honestly don't pay attention.

Kids know who they are, but most don't care...or at the very least, don't care as much as they would about more current properties - especially Nick.

Actually, I think you had it right the first time. They don't care---at all. If my daughter sees a stuffed plush figure in a park's gift shop, chances are she wants it---even if she has no flipping idea who it is---as long as it is cute and cuddly. If my son sees a gun, sword, ball, or a t-shirt with a vaguely hip-hop/tattoo theme, likewise.

Kids just want the crap they see at eye level. They are completely without discernment. That's why the gift shops place things at their level, rather than yours.

Brian Noble said:
Let's ask it in a different way. Do you see more shopping bags in the Nick parks, or the Peanuts parks? Are the contents of those bags more or less profitable?

I don't know. I honestly don't pay attention.

At this point I'm still having the discussion outside of the their placement in the parks. There's too many variables at play for us to know what makes sense as a business proposition. Like we said, from what is understood it seems Peanuts is more profitable for the parks with less merch out the door due to the financial specifics of buying the license.

In a real-world sense, I have no doubt that Peanuts is nearly irrelevant with the kids of today.

Camden Crazy said:
Other than SpongeBob, every single regular 90's Nick show is eons better than any show they have on there now.

That's called getting older. I'd argue that my 80's Nickeldeon had better shows than your 90's version and my kids will bitch that the 00's had better shows than the crap those kids watch in the 10's and so on.

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I don't know.........

At this point I'm still having the discussion outside of the their placement in the parks.

But that discussion is irrelevant. It's also not much of a discussion, because it is obvious that kids on average have more exposure to the Nick characters than the Peanuts ones. That's hardly up for debate. And, while I could be wrong, I don't think anyone is debating it.

As always, the real question is: which is better for the parks' bottom lines?

Here's an interesting twist. It's entirely possible that Nick was better for Paramount's bottom line, but Peanuts is better for Cedar Fair's. For exmaple, if the Knotts property carries with it some advantageous licensing arrangement that transfers to other properties (and it might), then CF gets a better deal on it than Paramount could have, and suddenly the whole switch makes a lot more sense, because both decisions were correct for each company's specific circumstances.

Crazy Horse, Was it just as idiotic when I said the same thing at the top of this very page? People outgrow kid's cartoons, for the most part.

I could argue ten years ago that YCDTOTV was far better than that Spongbob crap, or The Smurfs was way better than Ren and Stimpy (I won't say that, btw, because R&S was amazing).

If you don't know what YCDTOTV is, it was only the single greatest kids show of all time. ;) ...And that's the point. Kids shows that we grow up with are what we connect with for the rest of our lives. Adult tend to not connect with kids shows as much, because the shows are made for kids.

Edited to show who I was replying to.

LostKause said:
Crazy Horse, Was it just as idiotic when I said the same thing at the top of this very page? People outgrow kid's cartoons, for the most part.

Edited to show who I was replying to.

It's not really that I or my kid outgrew it, we were never into it(snoopy) to begin with.

It's a dull cartoon that does not hold the interest of many kids these days or back then. Let's face it....it's boring.

Brian Noble said:

But that discussion is irrelevant.

I respectfully disagree.

It's also not much of a discussion, because it is obvious that kids on average have more exposure to the Nick characters than the Peanuts ones. That's hardly up for debate. And, while I could be wrong, I don't think anyone is debating it.

Oh, I think that's exactly what AJ was initially trying to say on page 1 (at least in the case of certain older Nick characters) that made me jump in in the first place. And others inbetween seem to be thinking along similar lines - or I took it that way.

As always, the real question is: which is better for the parks' bottom lines?

Obviously, CF thinks Peanuts is and I'd find little reason to think they're haven't done the math...

...on the tangible parts, at least.

I still think there's an element of the equation that can't be measured and it's in that 'instinct' area that defines the difference between people who make good decisions and people who make great ones. Whether or not that factor is in play here could be debated endlessly.

On paper, I have no doubt that Peanuts is more advantageous for CF.

Crazy Horse, I don't know why people throw so much money at Peanut merchandise up at CP, but I agree that the property is hella boring.

I thought that you were saying that outgrowing cartoons was an idiotic theory. Maybe I misunderstood. It wouldn't be the first time.

...And like Gonch, I think CF didn't think the popularity factor through, but they almost certainly thought the property license prices through.

Things that can not be measured infatuate me.

LostKause said:
If you don't know what YCDTOTV is, it was only the single greatest kids show of all time. ;)

I would have known what it was if you didn't use an acronym. But, you did. I had to Google it. Yes "You can't do that on television" was a good show.

To answer Gonch's earlier question, as a 20 yr. old, I find Looney Toons and HB 'toons much more appealing than most of the 90s shows that I grew up with. I think I watched more Flintstones, Jetsons, and Looney Toons than I ever did Doug, Rugrats, etc. All of my own choice, as well. One of my favorite DVD box sets is the LT Gold Collection (Vol. 4 to be exact). :)

Charlie Brown and the Peanuts gang are also still featured in fun educational videos in the elementary school levels. There is more access to the franchise than just the holiday specials and comic strips.

Despite my appreciation for the legacy of Charlie Brown and the gang, the internet and 'most offensive video' website has effectively ruined that show for me..

Through the wonders of dub overs, turned a family show into something that makes south park look like Disney. Though I must say I did find myself chuckling every so often as a glazed through it.

If you don't believe that YCDTOTV was the greatest thing that Nickelodeon ever aired, then explain to me why they still to this day use green slime as part of their network image...

I have to wonder if part of the advantage for Cedar Fair is that the Peanuts are *less* accessible out in the real world. Particularly where merch is concerned...most obviously, you can take a much bigger markup on merch if you know that some *Mart isn't carrying the exact same product for a lot less. Furthermore, we've established in the past that Nickelodeon will license to just about anybody willing to make a deal. UFS is a little different. Cedar Fair is the home of the Peanuts characters, and if you want to see Snoopy, you'll be going to one of the Cedar Fair parks. Spongebob, on the other hand, has a whole schedule of personal appearances all over town, all summer long...

On a related note, I think this is also why the Looney Toons characters have remained relevant for Six Flags, even as the classics get less and less TV time.

Of course, with that in mind it's almost kind of surprising that they're taking the Peanuts to Kings Island...but then, I'm in the minority of people who live in an overlap between major Cedar Fair markets...

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

I think the point I was trying to make about YCDTOTV was missed. I do believe that it was one of the best shows on TV, but other generations have differing opinions. Kids tend to find a few programs that they really like, and as they grow into adults, they may find that the new shows that other kids relate to are not as good as the shows that they liked.

Not in any way saying that someone who may have seen reruns of YCDTOTV years after it originally aired can't appreciate and enjoy the show, but they will probably have the opinion that it isn't nearly as good as whatever show is the show that they grew up watching.

Loony Tunes, while very outdated, is still very funny. Road Runner still cracks me up.

YCDTOTV isnt even a Nick produced show, it was a re airing of a Canadian show.

That said all your points remain about it being a great show, the influenced Nick for years to come. And belongs with Double Dare, the original Nick Toons trio, Blue's Clues and Sponge Bob as the shows that have shaped Nick into what it is today.

Touchdown: YCDTOT was produced by the CBC, but its biggest audience was on Nickelodeon, and I think it continued to be produced for Nickelodeon after the CBC cancelled it.

Someone had Nickelodeon on in the lobby at work last week, and they hit somebody with a mess of green slime, so I turned to one of the student workers and asked, "Okay, what is the origin of green slime on Nickelodeon?" One of them, responded in the most predictable way possible (remember, he hadn't even been born yet when YCDTOTV was airing), and as a result, actually got it right. :)

Pity I couldn't slime him...

--Dave Althoff, Jr.

I know I'm probably the exception to the rule, but my 4 year-old loves Snoopy. He makes me buy the Band-Aids, and we DVR the specials so he can watch them over and over. I made no attempt at instilling this, other than flipping on one of the holiday shows a couple years back.

He knows who Spongebob is, and likes him in theory, but has no desire to see the tv show.

I don't know how much the Peanuts or Nick licenses cost, but I do know exactly how much Garfield costs, and it ain't cheap. It's not just a couple bucks they're saving.