It’s official! El Toro- Greatest woody in the world!
rc-madness said:
Is it your position that all polls and guides serve no real function to the public?
The vast vast vast majority of the parking going public doesn't even know these polls and guides exist. The point is moot. I promise you if I drove up to SFNE which is 15 minutes away from me, and asked 1000 people coming into the gate if they could reference or name a single poll or guide, the answer, save for the enthusiasts, would probably be a resolute no.
The words "Golden Ticket Awards" or "Amusement Today" would be met with a sea of shoulder shrugs and indifference.
The public, save for a very select few, and save for enthusiasts, doesn't care. Probably the biggest impact is the TV exposure these awards sometimes garner.
The bottom line is that these parks aren't marketing for the tiny demographic of people who care about parks all over the country.
*** Edited 4/19/2006 8:34:00 PM UTC by matt.*** *** Edited 4/19/2006 8:36:40 PM UTC by matt.***
rc-madness said:
Is it your position that all polls and guides serve no real function to the public? Or is this discussion pointless given that all opinions can be categorized as subjective?
Both. (to a degree)
First off, quit lumping polls and guides together while you're at it.
A guide is something written by someone who proclaims themselves knowledgeable on a subject specifically to help others who aren't as knowledgeable. A poll is a collection of votes.
Two different beasts entirely.
With that said, guides may or may not serve a function as the quality depends solely on the source and the needs of the user. A poll never serves a function as it is nothing more than a popularity contest and at best can only record general trends or opinions.
Neither is authoritative in any sense.
The second point supersedes the first. It is subjective. Have ten people here list one coaster that they feel is the greatest in existence and you'll get (at bare minimum) 7 different answers.
So which ones are right?
wait for it...
All of them! (or none of them depending on if you see the glass as half-emtpy or half-full)
My bottom line. It really is irrelevant because it's a claim that cannot be disproven, nor proven. It is SF's opinion that their new coaster is the greatest in the world. Consider the source.
Even if a park claims "Voted best steel coaster in Amusement Today's Golden Ticket Awards" - it still means little beyond the fact that a general trend of liking the coaster was exhibited by those who took the poll. It doesn't mean that everyone thinks it's the best coaster in the world...hell, it doesn't even mean that everyone who participated in the poll thought it was the best. And besides, there are plenty of different polls that cover the subject..and the results never match up. So which poll is the authority?
wait for it....
Neither.
*** Edited 4/19/2006 9:23:27 PM UTC by Lord Gonchar***
So poor Joe will just have to go around thinking, and claiming that he read that El Toro is considered as the best in the world until it's explained by opinionated enthusiasts how it's bad intel, or until he runs into Joe SFSL who said he read the same SF ad about the Boss, or until Joe rides El Toro (after it opens) and thinks SF is smokin' something, which SF might be.
I just don't like those in the know (which SF is) intentionally misguiding those out of know, if you know what I mean. I guess SF should try to get away with whatever they can since they are billions in debt, and according to Buzzers this kind of false advertising is considered fairplay. Poor Joe. *** Edited 4/19/2006 11:12:35 PM UTC by rc-madness***
Honestly...the bottom line is that nobody cares. Nobody should take advertising so seriously.
-Nate
*** Edited 4/19/2006 11:07:14 PM UTC by coasterdude318***
rc-madness said:
Just don't like folks being misguided.
You should write a letter to Snapple. They claim Snapple is "Made from the best stuff on earth."
I also heard that Ringling Bros. is now claiming their circus is "The Best Show on Earth."
I think you really underestimate people in general when you say people can't differentiate between marketing and obhective truth.
You really think Columbia Pictures can get away with releasing ads proclaiming DaVinci Code as the greatest picture of all time a month before its release. Buzzers have no problem with SF doing the same? More power to them, eh?
Does anyone have a list of the coasters SF proclaimed as the greatest in the world? *** Edited 4/20/2006 1:49:43 AM UTC by rc-madness***
rc-madness said:
Seriously, if the add claimed El Toro was made from the best stuff on earth, or "El Toro: King of Coasters", you seriously think we'd be having this discussion? You know there's a difference, I know the difference and SF definately knows the difference.Does anyone have a list of the coasters SF proclaimed as the greatest in the world? *** Edited 4/19/2006 11:56:05 PM UTC by rc-madness***
Exactly!! I almost posted this point several times but was too lazy. They have done it dozens of times. Just take a look at brochures from opening year of rides. Not to sound old but I specifically remember Viper @ MM being advertised as ""the greatest coaster on earth." And um, well,.....yeah you know the point I'm trying to make here, haha. Its all gimmicks. Its advertising. *** Edited 4/20/2006 1:23:01 AM UTC by DorneyDante***
This is really the best year for wood coasters since 2000. Some people will most likely get 3 new wood coasters in their top 5.
In any case, I'm not saying I disagree with you, you state with such confidence like its based on fact. Hold your horses til your arse is plopped down in a Voyage or El Toro seat eh? Or until then try using the words "I think" in your posts. Until then, continue making opinions about rides based on pictures. Just makes you look a fool.
There are also several wood coasters that are being moved or recreated on parks project list.
While I don't see Intamin as the AFORDABLE OPTION. They may have a nitch for parks who don't wanna MAINTAIN wood coasters the way say HW and IB do. I could see Cedar Point building one if things go well. Possibly BGE and some other BIGGER PARKS.
Meanwhile I think Intamin and B&M are out of reach of most parks and wood is the best option for them.
Chuck
SF is right; it is soooo much more fun to rank coasters before they're built, before anyone has had a chance to ride them. I can't wait to get a list of next years rumored attractions so I can complete my list of best coasters of all time. Should I put that list of world's best half built attractions in a brochure made available in a thousand different public locations, I will be praised by some buzzers for my ambitious advertising initiative. *** Edited 4/21/2006 2:58:35 PM UTC by rc-madness***
Jon, Officially Little AMerricka has dropped the hyphens from its name :)
Chuck
Toro...
http://www.aceonline.org/flyers/CoasterCelebration2006.pdf
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