It’s official! El Toro- Greatest woody in the world!
I wouldn't say that polls and rewards are meaningless altogether (they sure haven't hurt, say, Hershey or Holiday World) but I really don't see the siginfigance here.
Again, Snapple is made from the best stuff on earth. Do we need a poll for this?
I do however feel that you are being pretty presumptious about SF's attitudes towards polls. I'm sure they at least find them...you know...interesting. Although I'd fear going to any park that was actually making business decisions based on the desire to get some sort of reward from Amusement Today, lol. *** Edited 4/19/2006 5:06:58 PM UTC by matt.***
Are Buzzers saying Golden Ticket's are a meaningless honor?
Now you're getting it! :)
So, if I ranked coasters (and I don't), a poll would be meaningful only to the extent that its rankings lined up with mine.
*** Edited 4/19/2006 5:27:20 PM UTC by Brian Noble***
I disagree. I think people do care about where the best parks and attractions can be found. The problem is most have no idea where to get that information from a responsible source. Travel channel knows folks are interested which is why they run specials all the time. Sometimes they provide useful info, sometimes not so much.
I'm surprised Buzzers don't see responsible polls and guides as serving a function to the public. I agree that ranks don't much matter to enthusiasts already familiar with most coasters. The rankings and polls serve more of a function to those who have less of an idea of what's out there.
Is the advice to those less familiar with amusements that all polls are opinionated so it's best to avoid them all together? Just keep going to Frontierland because any guide claiming that SFoT is much better park, or that Titain is a much better coaster than Silver Bullet, such advice just can't be trusted. *** Edited 4/19/2006 6:20:47 PM UTC by rc-madness***
Oh, and Titan does rock... ;)
Nevermind the fact that Joe Sixpack and family will probably never see the aforementioned brochure until they actually visit the park.
I think that for many of us the distinction between local, or regional parks and destination parks is pretty clear but I guess it isn't so much for some people. That being said, even that argument is beside the point if what we're really considering are these polls and rewards and such.
Even if polls and guides *were* somehow more useful to the public, the vast majority of the public doesn't even know such polls and guides and rewards and all of this stuff even exists.
I'm sure there are plenty of people who call themselves enthusiasts who don't even know what the Golden Tickets are. I for one know what they are but couldn't tell you who won them last year without looking it up... *** Edited 4/19/2006 6:39:48 PM UTC by matt.*** *** Edited 4/19/2006 6:41:52 PM UTC by matt.***
At this point responsible polls don't advertise. Golden Tickets won't be seen on any bill boards any time soon. Which doesn't mean the public isn't interested. They're just unaware.
And sometimes folks want polls or the guides just because they are curious, not for any immediate travel purposes. It's not like coaster polls are the first subjective guides to ever hit the market.
Are all "best of" guides completely pointless without public function? You can't tell me that there aren't some objective elements to saying SFoT is a better park than Frontierland or that Titain is a better coaster than the Silver Bullet. *** Edited 4/19/2006 7:07:20 PM UTC by rc-madness***
Also, don't discount the power that all those discovery/natl geographic/travel channel shows do - I'll wager that everytime a coaster is featured big in one of those shows, there may be an extra 5000 people who may decide to take a trip there based on the show. Most of those people won't be across the country, but many might be in the lets take a long weekend 400 mile trip to check it out. If getting the reqards puts you on the show, then hey, the rewards are worth something.
Maybe it is making a mountain out of a mole hill, but no less than when buzzers here correct each other on claims that sound way off. It's worse when it's sent out to thousands of people in a forum that sounds official. Why doesn't SF just claim El Toro to be the fastest or the tallest if their calims don't matter? *** Edited 4/19/2006 7:50:04 PM UTC by rc-madness***
You've done it all the way from the title of the thread ("It's Official") to this last post ("El Toro's Greatest claim falls on the end of the spectrum of irresponsible reporting given that no one has ridden it yet.")
They're not reporting, they're advertising. They're running promotion for their newest coaster.
Why doesn't SF just claim El Toro to be the fastest or the tallest if it doesn't matter?
Do we really have to explain it again?
rc-madness said:
Why doesn't SF just claim El Toro to be the fastest or the tallest if their calims don't matter?
Its not that the claims don't matter, its that the claim of "greatest" is completely subjective while the claim of the "fastest" or "tallest" is objective. Even if it were backed up by every poll in the known universe that El Toro was or wasn't the "greatest" it would still be a subjective opinion.
Talk about circular threads.... *** Edited 4/19/2006 8:03:53 PM UTC by matt.***
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