I hate to say this
As for Jeff being a god, he obviously is not. I don't recall him ever claiming that statement though. I for one am NOT one of Jeff's "followers." I disagree with Jeff quite a bit, but it doesn't mean that he is a jerk that doesn't deserve to run the sight. It just means that we differ in opinion sometimes. If everyone agreed on everything, the world would be a very boring place.......
I can't express how tired of everything on coasterbuzz, Jeff, i think your are an idiot and a jerk with they way you analyze things and I have one comment for this site, if you don't like what I did or do on it,
Kiss My Ass
Coasterdude8
I am not going to take sides in this at all so I am going to hit both points.
Jeff does reply to email. Jeff and I do not exactly have a "great" relationship on here so to say. He does reply to email but realistically, do any of us reply to an email that sits there and cusses you out or something like that? Many people have had those emails and usually delete them without a response, but that is not to say what is happening at all, I do not know but from my experience, he does indeed reply.
On the other hand, while these topics are borderline sometimes, it is sometimes healthy to hear the complaints of the people, isn't that what makes this place better? Someone is speaking their mind, let it be. I have noticed that a certain few on here can get away with a lot more than the rest, and that is not directed at Jeff. Most of the time, it is a group of central people that attack forums like this. I personally enjoy the forums but in all fairness, if you were new, noticed something, voiced it and get pounded by people like this, would you not walk away?
That is healthy site promotion there. Hits or not, you will lose in the long run.
Just as an idea, maybe this is not Jeff or completely Jeff, maybe it is some of the others in the forum. Some food for thought.
*** This post was edited by DragonCyrs on 3/5/2002. ***
Coasterdude8 said:
Jeff, With the software piracy speech, if people commit this so called "Crime" that's their business, not yours and if they get in trouble with the law, that's their business, not yours
First, it IS a crime, plain and simple, not a "so-called crime". While committing piracy may be "their business", discussing such in this forum IS Jeff's business. The virus discussion was a misunderstanding that HAS been straightened out, but apparently that's irrelevant to some people.
I'm continually amazed that people come in here, don't like what they see, and then whine publicly about it instead of just leaving again. I can't count the number of "coaster sites" I've looked at and didn't like. Did I complain about it? No, I just went elsewhere instead. Know what? Some of those sites don't even exist anymore, but CoasterBuzz is still here, with a large, active userbase. If it's not popular with some "members of the enthusiast community", that may be a shame, but it's their loss.
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"The collective women in your life have more baggage than a Samsonite factory..."
My page
*** This post was edited by GregLeg on 3/5/2002. ***
Coasterdude8 said:
I can't express how tired of everything on coasterbuzz, Jeff, i think your are an idiot and a jerk with they way you analyze things and I have one comment for this site, if you don't like what I did or do on it,
Kiss My*****
Coasterdude8
It's idiots like you that make him have to moderate this site so much.
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I'm continually amazed at the number of people who come in here, don't like what they see, and then whine publicly about it instead of just leaving again.
yeah see, theres the sad part. if there are *that* many people complaining, you know theres a problem. its obviously not just a few people being immature teenagers like most of you older members complain about, its i'd guess every couple people who come on this site. i find RRC WAY better then this, thats why i go there more often. the mods (AKA the followers) and jeff just got a little too abusive to the power they have, and its so pathetic...
I to have undergone the wrath of the moderators. I once was flamed buy "Chitown" for something he didn't like or some stupid reason. I tried to post a topic about the SFGam season pass prices when they were released but that was shut down and I don't even know why, I even tried to revise it many times but it got mysteriously shut down. I was NOT in violation of the TOS, so I e-mailed "Jeff" but NEVER got a response at all. And then later that month I wanted to plan a trip to go somewhere else to get a season pass instead of SFGam and that too was shut down.
I believe that these forums are very biased, hypocritical and self centered. Especially when it comes to anything about Six Flags, in general , and CP. No matter how little of negativity there is in it, if "Jeff" doesn't like it he will shut you down and never return e-mail. So don't expect to ever find out why.
Unfortunately this is the only site left that is geared more towards the mid-west since ThrillNetwork closed its doors. This site has helped me plan my trip last July to CP and my hopefully will for this July. Also I have found about things I never knew about. Especially for my trip to Vegas in May.
I to have never once gotten an e-mail response from "Jeff no matter what it is about. Like when I tried to get help and tips about planning my trip to CP and what to do there, when I e-mailed "Jeff" last June about it. I also have gotten flamed too many times for common spelling errors by "Jeff" and also I normally use U instead of YOU when I type and stuff and I got flamed about that too.
I am college educated and I feel offended by what ravenguy said. There is a lot of people in here that have college educations in here or that are finishing up college as we speak. Only a small percentage of people in here are still in HS or younger.
I have thought about opening my own site like ThrillNetwork and here for the main focus being about Mid-West Coasters and others and have forums that are more open where you can actually speak your oppinion. I don't have a major site but i have enough space through my ISP and College to start a beta version up. And if i do there will be NO pop-unders/pop-up ads. But unfourtunetly I don't have the time nor effort to do such a thing right now since i will be graduating in 6 months. And everything is now down to the wire with work and projects.
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I may be from IL, but i sure can't get enough of the FORCE. MF!!!
*** This post was edited by IL_MForce_Junkie on 3/5/2002. ***
Forgive me for adding anything to this fire but what is the point of going on and on about how bad Jeff is running this site (I actually think it's run damn fine.....but that's just me)?
There really is a very simple tactic that can benefit those that don't like how the site is run. Simply go to another site. It's that simple. That is why I am on Coasterbuzz. I was tired of reading in another forum (which was MUCH worse....trust me) so I decided to leave because it wasn't fun to read. I haven't been back to it and I don't miss it what-so-ever.
Try that. I am sure you will be much happier. While I am sure Jeff doesn't want to see a lot of people leaving his site, getting rid of a lot of the whiners in the group could bring a lot more people in who will understand why the site is moderated, and enjoy it for what it is. It's really simple.
Jeff, thank you SO much for asking me to check out this forum last year. I had been to it on occasion, but even I wasn't a fan of moderated formums. That was, until I saw what garbage can collect when in a un-moderated forum. Keep up the good work dude!
-Sean
Simply go to another site.
a dur dur, i think weve considered that already. but remember, dont mention other coasters sites on this site or your topic will be deleted, shhhh...
didn't coasterdude8 post immediately after signing off permanently...maybe a time-dilation thing...
anyhow, it's the guy with an opinion on everything...and still I only have ONE..(fill in blank here)...On the issue of closed topics, I have seen many closed, and strange as it sounds, I have been able to figure out a decent reason for most all of them. Matter of fact, as soon as I saw the post that really DID suggest pirating software as a viable option to purchasing it, I figured it wouldn't last long.
Here's where the story really gets crazy, so HANG ON! I once had a topic closed that I felt was a valid topic, and had it CLOSED. Shocked, nay horrified ;) I went ahead and E-MAILED regarding the topic. It was actually about cartoon tie-ins with parks, but upon receipt of e-mail from a mod (you know who you are, LMAO) I realized that I really HAD failed to make clear the theme-park connection - it really did sound like a CARTOON topic. Well, long story short, you may not get an IMMEDIATE response, but crazy as it sounds, these folks have lives outside the 'buzz. Their actually pretty reasonable people, especially considering the whole "god" thing...that was too much, sorry...I guess I really do type all this stuff just to crack myself up!
As for the enthusiasts who don't like Coasterbuzz (I know some and have friends who are opposed to the idea of "moderated" forums) that's OK too. Because while a web-site may not be America in the sense of freedom of speech, this IS America in the sense that I have freedom of choice. I choose not to read all the off-topic nonsense available in some of those "other" places, and there are some "other" sites I visit regularly...
wondering further still, can I be arrested for yelling "Fire" in a crowded forum?
Ok, poor choice of words on my part. I'm amazed that ANYONE would come in, sit down, and whine, instead of go elsewhere.
RRC? Yes, I read it, and get some useful information from it. But my killfile is HUGE, and even then there are days I feel it was a waste of time to even bother downloading the new headers. Half the "discussion" there is pointless flaming, calling each other homo's and worse. There are plenty of intelligent people there, which is why I continue to read occasionally post. The same can be said for this site.
"Followers"? Hah, that's a laugh. Jeff and I don't always see eye-to-eye, and anyone who's ever met me knows I can be quite opinionated -- hardly a follower of anyone.. But rather than openly rip into each other on this site, we discuss things offline. If you attempt to contact Jeff and he doesn't reply, that may just be because he's an incredibly busy man.
Abusive of power? What part of "it's his site" does everyone miss? And to cut off anyone who tries to drag out "freedom of speech" AGAIN, this site is NOT covered by our "rights to freedom of speech". This isn't America, this is a privately run, internationally-accessible forum. One that MANY members, including myself, find useful. I'm sorry if there are "perceived problems", but personally I REALLY don't see much more than a set of people who come in, don't want to play by long-established rules, and then throw temper fits about it.
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--Greg
"The collective women in your life have more baggage than a Samsonite factory..."
My page
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- Peabody
Oh sweet mother of all thats good in this world. I didn't mean that Jeff was a God only that on this site he can do whatever he wants and rightfully so. You people darn well know I meant that and you definitely don't need to totally throw it out of context like that. I still don't understand why you same people keep coming back and back again if you are not satisfied with this site. You must obviously think there is someplace better.
As for analogies, If you act like an idiot in a store YOU GET THROWN OUT!
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Does CCI know how to make a bad coaster?
Abusive of power? What part of "it's his site" does everyone miss?
how could we miss it, he reminds us every topic.. but anyways. the reason i get so ticked off about this is because you would think a guy running a successful site would be nice and helpful to his members instead of insulting them, making them feel stupid, and basically pissing them off. he is SO abusing his power! i know if i had the power of a site like this i'd be respectful to other people and not acting as if i were some king capable of cutting peoples heads off (banning, same diff ).
*** This post was edited by FreakLogic on 3/5/2002. ***
I find it funny that there is more than a few posts within this thread made by "senior" members that should have been deleted, but oh well. It's coasterbuzz. I don't like it one bit, but where else can I go for news?
I still think this is a great site for news, (and even those have its flaws, *cough* not allowing 3d thrills update b/c Jeff was afraid of a little competition *cough* and I thought it was member driven?), but the forums are just so poorly run. I expect Jeff to have some stupid explanation as to why he can be sarcastic, certain members get away with more, etc. Or we will be hearing the "if you don't like it, don't come here." Whatever the case, I wish I could just leave, but there is no better place for news on the net. I commend Jeff for that, but the attitude of jeff and other "senior" members of this coaster community is simply disgusting.
I don't have a problem with the TOS one bit, and as a matter of fact, being an admin at ACN, I agree with it. What I do have a problem with is the fact the mods and senior members can at times be so rude and get away with it, while on the other hand someone goes slighty off topic, does the slightest bit of flaming (for example: sarcasm, just like jeff) and gets himself in trouble. It's not asking for much to just be nicer to the members is it? And I want to know how come there is never a justification for the hypocritical mods on these forums? "if you dont like it, go elsewhere" was not a valid explanation last time I checked. I want to handle this properly, without resorting to flaming, for I have a valid complaint, that had previously been ignored by jeff by both emails and IM's that has just now resurfaced. Or will I be IP banned again for having a valid complaint?
Greg,
I agree!
I used to also read RRC. By the time I left it, I had close to 55 names and topics in my killfile. I just got tired of updating it and decided it simply wasn't worth the effort to participate in something that I was no long happy with. I have made some great friends through RRC, but I felt it was time to move on. That is where this site came into play.
I never really have understood why people will whine about things they are not happy seeing on a site, yet continue to post on that very site. Perhaps they are just addicted and don't want to admit they can't stand being away from the site for a short time? Maybe that is one reason why they stick around? Who knows?
Oh wait, I get it! They are forced to read! I forgot about that factor. What was I thinking? =:^)
Freaklogic,
Thank you so much for proving my point!
-Sean (done with this thread)
Hey "Jeff" i do feel insulted that you have the Libera Manifesto link on your site especially since i have a feeling you have no clue what it is about. But you have it on which means you agree with it but sure doesn't seem like it. Such as #4 Feedback keeps us going, #8- Don't expect us to ask for nothing in return, #15 We love you, #25 We don't whine, we ask politely, #30 We don't know everything, #32 We still love you, #43 Our service is part of our spirit, #75 Opinions aren't wrong and finally #76 We'll always love you.
I don't think this is what Chris Parillo had in mind by the way you tend to treat others on this site and the way you run it. So please take it off, its an insult to the internet community that are being true to the Libera Manifesto and the internet as a whole and a community, not a democracy.
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I may be from IL, but i sure can't get enough of the FORCE. MF!!!
Closed topic.
