I 305 gets trim on the first drop

I experience grey out on Titan regularly, but I don't enjoy it at all. I can't imagine that I305 is so much worse that it needs all this attention and moidfication. Then again, from what I understand, Titan and Goliath are running with a full stop at the MCBR these days and I assume it's to de-intensify the helix.

I have only ever ridden Titan and Goliath with a full stop at the brake before the helix. It's still intense.

Can anyone compare the two experiences? (Giovanola vs. I305)?

I kinda did, Andy, on the previous page.

"Goliath and Titan I kinda understand in that the forces are sustained. I305, shorter duration but probably somewhat higher range."

If I305 had a helix, the two experiences might be more comparable. The Gios just KEEP that power for so long during the helices. I305 has (had?) a burst of intensity after the drop and into that turn, but I felt like it released its grip after about 2.5-3.5 seconds. The Gios helices would be more comparable to the RoSs in terms of duration, but the Intamins are heavily banked so they're almost purely positive (seat-bound) force.

Of course, all this is *my* perspective based on my experience and recollection - having been on I305 (pre-trimming), MM's Goliath, and SFA's Supes all in the past two months...

2Hostyl said:
BTW: Gonch, are you the type who is suceptible to "getting up too fast" adnd getting lightheaded? I am, so maybe that has something to do with. Perhaps that's the downside to having 'low-range-of-normal' blood pressure.

I never thought about that. Wonder if that is why I see "stars" on so many coasters. It happens pretty regularly so I don't even think about it any more. But 305 was way more than stars for me. It was some pretty significant tunnel vision.

Has anyone besides me ridden the back seat of Manta? If the turn on I305 is what the bottom of the pretzel loop feels like only with a longer duration, then...holy cow. Not sure I wouldn't grey out either.

I'm not sure the flyers are a good comparison. Your feeling the forces in a "different-than-normal" direction. G's you could easily take in the seated position can be very stressful in the "flying position".

2Hostyl said:
BTW: Gonch, are you the type who is suceptible to "getting up too fast" adnd getting lightheaded?

No, I'm not.

But for the record, I'm fine on MF, Goliath at SFMM, the pretzel loop on the B&M flyers and Anton loopers - all rides that have been mentioned here.

Getting kinda anxious about riding I305 later this month...

@Gonch With your track record on the aforementioned rides, I wouldn't be worried about I-305 in the slightest. Even if it's more intense than anything you've ridden you probably would only have a mild grey-out. I say if because I haven't ridden since the trim was moved to the drop. There are people on here saying it isn't bad at all. They are probably in the same category as you.

ApolloAndy said:
Can anyone compare the two experiences? (Giovanola vs. I305)?

Yes--I found the Titan-induced grey-out much worse than (pre-trimmed) I305's. However, I rode Titan on a near-100-degree humid afternoon after being in the park all day, and I305 in milder (80s?) weather as the first ride of opening day, so take that for what it's worth. Two completely different frames of mind and body.

Having ridden i305 many times the day I went (several being in a row, pre-drop trims), the drop turn bothered me less than the rough transitions. Once I knew how to ride defensively through those few rough sections I was fine.

Why does it seem like I am the only one who knows to squeeze my leg and butt muscles to minimize the gray-out experience? I rode a few times not doing it and yes, my vision started to change but it wasn't that big of a deal to me. I also rode a few times squeezing my leg and butt muscles to keep the blood in my upper body and presto! Worked perfectly and no issues.

mlnem4s said:
Why does it seem like I am the only one who knows to squeeze my leg and butt muscles to minimize the gray-out experience? I also rode a few times squeezing my leg and butt muscles to keep the blood in my upper body and presto! Worked perfectly and no issues.

Yeah, it's totally reasonable to expect to have to do that when you ride a coaster.

Sigh.

Sounds like a new form of exercise -
"Buns of Steel (coasters)"

Yeah, I can see that sign and hear that spiel, "Welcome riders, for your comfort, please remember to clench your butt muscles as you bottom out on the first drop and keep them clenched throughout the first turn."

Most of the GP would have no idea that this was an anti grey-out move and not to prevent a Depends moment.

Nice. :)

Titan's helix never gave me any problems. I grayed out on I-305 most rides. Did the lower body muscle clenching once and didn't gray out for that ride, but having to think about what to do killed the fun of the first drop.

If you have to "know" how to ride a coaster, there's something wrong with the design.

^Arrow corkscrew entrance, anyone? Even as a kid, I knew something was wrong with the shape of the curves - and wondered what the heck was wrong with the designers and why they kept doing it.

Now I like to say that shoulder harnesses simply do not belong on roller coaster rides.

The thing with the I305 brakes issue is something that most riders (GP) will have no clue about. The headbanging, they will, and it hurts.

Seriously, man, I realize the "good ol' days" were, um, good and all, but things DO change.