-- alan "did you really have to change the thread topic?" j
I thought The Village was cool too.
Dawn of the Dead Directors Cut is great. Nowhere near the blood and guts as the original but it has it moments.
One of my favorites has to be Dead Alive directed by Peter Jackson about 10 years before LOTR trillogy. If you love Evil Deads slapstick gore humor you will love Dead Alive.
I want to see SAW, but working the haunted house on weekends doesn't give me much time. Maybe I'll see it next weekend.
Schwarzkopf shuttle loops...The most possible fun in 36 seconds.
Ben Nelson said:
Having ridden the Comet before and after the reprofile, I did notice that the retracked section had a less significant lateral jolt. To me that is a good thing, previously that turn was somewhat painful, now, it is not. The rest of the ride felt identical to my prior experiences. (almost Phoenix quality)
You read my mind.
Despite my incoherent rambling throughout the entire thread, what Ben said is EXACTLY how I feel about the ride right now.
Although "The Grudge" scared the hell out of me I DO still think "The Ring" was scarier.
Can someone please explain to me the end of "The Grudge"? I was SO confused.
Nitro Dave said:
I think what's laughable at best is the fact that BOTH of you are whining like sissy little three-year-old bi***es about an opinion that is purely subjective.In other words, you're both right, you're both wrong, and you're both whining like little schoolgirls. You're both adults -- man up and act like it.
Nate and I don't always see eye-to-eye. We've argued in the past and there's an excellent chance we'll argue again in the future. When two people that are passionate about something wind up on opposite sides, it is natural that they are going to debate. Which is what we were doing. As much as I disagree with him, I have respect for him because of the fact that he states his opinion and backs it up.
This is an internet forum, and when you put together so many people with different thoughts, debates are inevitable. Seems to me that you can't tell the difference between "whining" and "debating" considering how we are nothing but two "sissy three-year-old b**ches" who need to "man up" in your eyes.
If we are really getting on your nerves, why bother responding to us? We're not standing in your living room and throwing things at each other so we're pretty easy to ignore- just move on to another topic. If there is one thing I can't stand, it's people that feel the need to oppose something that is extremely easy for them to leave alone. If the words of people arguing annoys you that much, you best leave the internet, turn off your TV and never get involved in a serious relationship because all three are going to expose you to debating from time to time.
If you really feel the need to judge the actions of others, you best look in the mirror before you do it again. Because if there's one thing more "immature" than two people arguing, it's a third person that feels the need to whine about them.
And now, back to your conversation about movies...
TeknoScorpion said: Nate, you are the only person I have ever talked to on a message board that has the belief that your opinion is golden, and fact, and that everyone else that has a differing opinion is wrong.
Wrong! I just don't know as much about roller coasters and such. I would make it a point to be just as much of an ass.
Atleast Nate isn't just saying this to say it.
Edit: Is that the first time someone actually openly admitted to being a Troll on these boards?
Oh, and nate, you do realize that Word just called you and ass to, right?;) *** Edited 10/30/2004 10:36:03 PM UTC by TeknoScorpion***
TeknoScorpion said:
The difference between Nate and you, Word, is that I atleast respect Nate. You're just a loud voice that likes to talk just to be heard, so I often just overlook you, as you really don't make a difference in this community.Atleast Nate isn't just saying this to say it.
Harsh.
Nitro Dave said:
I was never aware that asking a man to act like a man was a sexist comment.
Uh, that's the epitome of a sexist comment. Who are you to dictate how people should debate on a message board? Who made you some ultimate authority on the issue? There absolutely is such a thing as one person's opinion being more valid than another's, and that's the point you continue to miss. Sorry if that's a blow to your obvious ego.
SFDL_Dude said:[/Quote]
this whole thread reminds me of the brake fin added to SFDL's S:ROS during week #3 of opperation in 1999... definitly a huge difference in ride experience, leaving a MUCH tamer ending which used to be spectacular; but others always have to argue...
Actually, that trim brake was added near the end of the 1999 season (one of the last few weeks actually). And that's an entirely different situation. Although I wouldn't agree that the trim on S:ROS ruins the ride, it does have a large effect on the speed at which the train travels over the last bunny hill. There was no trim added here. There was no loss of speed. There was a miniscule change in banking on a short section of track. I can't be the only one who sees a difference.
TeknoScorpion said:
Right. Cause we all know the GM of the park would have no reason to spin anything...
...just as the leader of a wooden coaster club would have a reason to spin something. My point is that certain people continue to ignore the obvious facts here in order to make their case appear stronger.
Nate, you are the only person I have ever talked to on a message board that has the belief that your opinion is golden, and fact, and that everyone else that has a differing opinion is wrong.
Oh whatever. Please point me to an instance in this thread where I said that someone's opinion was wrong. What I said was that it seems ridiculous for some people to have an opinion about something if that person has never experienced it. There's been a lot of talk about "tons of people" claiming the ride is "ruined", and yet all I see in this thread are people who said it had no effect or a slightly better effect. And yes, I most certainly do believe my opinion is more valid than the opinion of someone who hasn't ridden the ride. That's the way it goes in many different aspects in life.
I'd actually like to meet you in person to see if you are so hard headed face to face. Danny said you were quite nice in person, but, boy, you can be an ass on here, even when you are right.
Oh wow, you really are stalking me. Nobody could pay me enough to meet someone like you face to face.
Oh, and nate, you do realize that Word just called you and ass to, right?
It's "too", and do you think I really care?
Here's the reason it all matters. People have been writing, e-mailing, and calling the park with threats of pickets and protests. Enthusiasts really have done their best to destroy any relationship they have with parks. I doubt Holiday World will ever host another event, and I'd be surprised if ACE members were invited back to ride the Comet next year after all the BS this year. Enthusiasts make up such a tiny percentage of visitors that it does not matter if they stop visiting a particular park (actually, most parks would probably be grateful if they'd stop visiting). The reason enthusiast events are held are because they offer publicity for the parks. If they're not getting that publicity (or if they're getting negative publicity from the same organizations), what incentive is there to continue such events? There are much, much bigger fish to fry, and if you want to continue to enjoy ERT sessions on parks, you'll understand why this harrassment of TGE is jeopardizing relationships.
-Nate
Furthermore, I'd like to know how your opinion is more valuable than mine or anyone else's. Sure, I haven't ridden the ride this year and I make no secret of that... still you fail to explain how your word is worth gold and everyone else's is worth sh**. You're foolish if you think that the GM of a park is going to tell you the truth regarding a matter that is clearly controversial. Unless you hold a huge number of Six Flags stock shares and have company executives kissing your feet, you're going to get just as straight an answer as everyone else. Which is to say an answer that isn't very straight at all. After all, why would a GM (or anyone else) come clean with you but no one else? Pretty high opinion of yourself you've got, wouldn't you say?
I'm not the "leader" of a wood coaster enthusiast club, I'm just an outspoken member of that organization that speaks his mind when the foul stench of b.s. is in the air. But you confuse my enthusiasm because my words are not those of a wood coaster enthusiast but those of a regular enthusiast. If the topic of this debate were a ton of trim brakes on Nitro or the scrapping of a Jet Star, I'd be just as vocal. And if you want to speak of facts, look at it this way:
Tom Rhodes, the EDITOR of RollerCoaster! magazine- one of two publications from ACE- the largest and one of the most respected coaster enthusiast organizations in the world, was allowed to go "public" with the news of the changes being made to the Comet. We're talking about an organization that has ties with just about every amusement park operator in North America; an organization that has historically avoided speaking on controversial issues such as this to remain neutral and keep from making waves. If this was a mere reprofiling (as you continually claim), do you honestly think that ACE would have let Mr. Rhodes speak his mind and risk damaging the organization's relationship with not only The Great Escape but Six Flags as an entire corporation?
Do you honestly think that people are going to take your word over the words of Tom Rhodes, a well-respected enthusiast that not only holds a position of importance within the American Coaster Enthusiasts? What are you on?
If your most important point is the fact that this might ruin an organization's relationship with a park and put future ERT at risk, then it's pretty obvious what kind of enthusiast you are. And that's perfectly fine if you chose to be that way. But don't expect everyone else to buy into that load of crap.
You ask how my opinion is more valid than yours, and then answer your question in the next sentence. You haven't ridden it. I have. You're entitled to an opinion, fine, but you have nothing to back it up. You have no experience of your own on which to base the opinion. I have opinions about the experience of visiting Japan, but because I haven't been there, my opinion is hardly as valid as someone who has.
The GM of TGE absolutely told the truth about what was done to the Comet. If you're going to doubt that or refuse to believe that, you're a fool. Anyone who visits the park can see exactly what was done, how it matches exactly what the GM said, and how miniscule it is.
After all, why would a GM (or anyone else) come clean with you but no one else? Pretty high opinion of yourself you've got, wouldn't you say?
I'm not sure what you mean there. John Collins has told everyone the same thing, the facts of which (again) are posted in your forums.
I'm not the "leader" of a wood coaster enthusiast club, I'm just an outspoken member of that organization that speaks his mind when the foul stench of b.s. is in the air.
Okay, you're a co-founder. Big difference.
If you think Six Flags and TGE was happy with ACE's article on the Comet, you're wrong. ACE covers what they want to; just because you see an article in there doesn't mean it's approved or endorsed by the park. I have not seen the article in question, but if it makes the (erroneous) claims you say it does, I'm sure John Collins is just as happy as he is with enthusiasts calling and writing him constantly.
If your most important point is the fact that this might ruin an organization's relationship with a park and put future ERT at risk, then it's pretty obvious what kind of enthusiast you are.
And what "kind of enthusiast" is that? You can choose to believe it's a "load of crap", I don't care. But, sadly, you're very, very mistaken.
-Nate *** Edited 11/4/2004 4:39:57 AM UTC by coasterdude318***
When did someone say that they were going to picket outside the gate of the park? If that comment was made in ours, I must have been blind to miss it. And you must have been pretty stupid to assume that a threat. The only things I am aware of are letters to and from the park's PR department and that hardly constitutes ANY kind of harrassment. Or is writing to a PR department suddenly an evil and wrong thing to do?
I have never met Osama bin Ladin but I know that I don't like the guy. I have never been to Italy, England or Spain but I know I'd like those places. Those are opinions... ones based upon things I've heard from others. Does the fact that I have never met bin Ladin face-to-face mean that my opinion is wrong or isn't worth anything? Does the fact that I have never been to any of those countries mean that I shouldn't assume to think highly of them? Maybe my opinions aren't based on firsthand experience but knowing what I know about this situation, there is no way in hell that they are invalid or any less valid than someone else's.
Let me get this straight... The Great Escape told you "the truth" about the Comet and I am a fool for not believing you? I can't even begin to tell you how many things are wrong with that kind of mentality! What you're basically telling me and everyone else is that we should all take your word as the ultimate truth?
Wow.
You can take your facts and shove them for all I care because this isn't a debate on the facts... this isn't me (or anyone else) arguing the changes in specification that you speak of... this is people talking about seat of the pants ride experience, something that numbers or any kind of so-called "truth" is going to explain. Sit atop the pedestal you've perched yourself on and preach to people how this is nothing more than a retracking but don't expect the people that have ridden the ride and notice a change in the way it feels to suddenly embrace your thinking.
I'm sure that The Great Escape is not at all pleased with ACE right now and I think that was the point, or at least what was to be expected from publishing that article in ACE News. The fact that it wasn't written or endorsed by the park is what makes this an acceptable debate.
I do believe it's a load of crap and obviously you care what I think because you continue to quote me ad naseum and reference me in everything you post in this thread.
Rob Ascough said:
Maybe my opinions aren't based on firsthand experience but knowing what I know about this situation, there is no way in hell that they are invalid or any less valid than someone else's.
But they are. If you haven't even *experienced* what you're talking about, how can you form a proper opinion about it? You said yourself that this discussion relates to a "seat of the pants ride experience." So how do you have an opinion about that if you've never, ever had that experience? Your opinion is based on other people's opinions (which you obviously selectively believe). It's ridiculous to say your second-hand opinion is as valid as the opinion of someone who has ridden the ride before and after.
Let me get this straight... The Great Escape told you "the truth" about the Comet and I am a fool for not believing you?
Uh...where, exactly, did I claim that? All I said was the facts are apparent. If you don't believe them then yes, you are a fool.
You can take your facts and shove them for all I care because this isn't a debate on the facts
But it is. You have this idea in your head that some huge, destructive change was made to the Comet. The facts suggest otherwise.
Am I really the only one who finds it ridiculous (and sad) that the people claiming the Comet was "severely reprofiled and altered" which has "completely ruined" the ride haven't even ridden it? A quick read through the woodcoaster.org forums shows people complaining about parts of the ride that weren't even touched! I swear, these people are completely insane.
-Nate
*** Edited 11/4/2004 7:06:44 AM UTC by coasterdude318***
coasterdude318 said:
The GM of TGE absolutely told the truth about what was done to the Comet. If you're going to doubt that or refuse to believe that, you're a fool.
What's truly insane is someone who has the time and motivation to quote people word-for-word but forgets (either intentionally or unintentionally) what they said not more than an hour or so ago.
Do all of us (or at least me) a favor and go back to page one where you will see that I am not the person that started this topic. Go back and see that I was one of many people that opted to voice their opinion yet the only one that you decided to argue with.
Why? Because this is idiotic and so is your case. If you can't figure out and accept by now that my take on this situation is based upon the opinions of others that experienced a change in the perceivable quality of the ride during the 2004 season then there is really no point to going on and on about this.
Quote my every word or do what makes you happy, I'm bowing out of this debate because I have much better ways to spend my free time rather than debating with someone that is frighteningly out-of-touch with all sorts of reality. My silence doesn't mean that I agree with you or concede, it just means that I'm tired hearing you say something in one post and then act like you never said it in the next; I'm tired of trying to argue points when your points are blatantly false (like this garbage about people on the WCFC site starting some kind of hostile revolution when the only thing they are guilty of is constructively putting their thoughts to paper).
I no longer see a point to the both of us banging our heads against the walls so I'm going to end it. Whether you try to keep it going is entirely up to you.
*** Edited 11/4/2004 7:41:16 AM UTC by Rob Ascough***
Rob Ascough said:
You didn't claim I was a fool? Let's see...
No, I know I claimed you'd be a fool to disagree with the facts. What I'm asking is where I claimed the Great Escape told me (and only me) the truth. That's something I never said.
If you can't figure out and accept by now that my take on this situation is based upon the opinions of others that experienced a change in the perceivable quality of the ride during the 2004 season then there is really no point to going on and on about this.
I know what your opinion is based on. I also know that you very selectively chose whose words to base your opinions on. After all, this entire thread claimed there was no negative effect until you came along. Why is it okay for you to ignore their (and my) experiences when you have none for yourself?
-Nate
The whole picket thing was just a "threat" right? That never really happened? I had been home all summer and never heard a word of any "protests". If there were then well that's just sad. I am an enthusiast and love coasters but unless one was coming down, I would probably never protest. From EXPERIENCING the ride I would guess any protesters had NOT ridden it. The changes are just that minute.
Why do I feel MY opinion is relevant? Well, I've been riding the coaster every year since 1994. I've noticed nothing besides two small sections of new wood. TGE COULD destroy this masterpiece but they have YET to do that.
The Comet, IMO, is still the great ride it once was.
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