How Bad Was The Great Escape Comet Butchered?
There's nothing wrong with having an opinion, hell even I'm keeping my expectations low until I ride it again next summer. But if your going to repeat the same opinion over and over, and argue with people who *have* ridden it, to be somewhat credible, your going to need to back it up with having ridden it yourself.
I do understand the impulse *not* to want to give Six Flags the benefit of the doubt, but in this case is it rational? Or knee-jerk enthusiast-speak?
Nate thinks it's fine, Rob hears it sucks -- who's right? Both of you are, because both of you experience different things, as do your constituents. What a person loves about a ride experience differs from person to person. When I went out to CP and MiA earlier this year, I was shocked when everyone but me hated Shivering Timbers. And while I practically fell asleep on Millennium Force, the rest of my party couldn't wait to get back on. Not everyone had as obscene a passion for air as I did, and that's fine.
The point? In terms of facts, Nate's have been accepted for what they are, and I think we can all agree on that. The rest is speculative opining based on the relativity of preference of the people with whom the debater has spoken.
In other words, you're both right, you're both wrong, and you're both whining like little schoolgirls. You're both adults -- man up and act like it.
Nitro Dave said:
Nate thinks it's fine, Rob hears it sucks -- who's right? Both of you are, because both of you experience different things
The difference, of course, is that only one of us has actually experienced anything.
This is a message board. People debate, argue, and disagree about opinions all the time. Even when both parties have actually ridden the ride in question. If you can't handle that, perhaps you shouldn't be reading things here. If you want to talk about whining, don't point the finger at me. I'm not the one e-mailing, calling, writing, threatening protest and picketing at the park, etc.
Moosh- I may be able to dig up some before and after pictures, but unfortunately won't have the time today. Maybe tomorrow.
-Nate (who also doesn't appreciate sexist "man up" comments)
As for the whole message board thing, you're absolutely right. We're here to debate. However, in your desperate search to make me look bad through pathetic semantic games, you've missed the crux of my point: that the opinion you're both arguing for is one that's not going to be swayed. If there was something factual to be said in terms of the feeling of the ride, there would be a legitimate argument to be had. But like I said, the only facts here have been displayed and agreed upon; you and Rob are arguing over something that cannot be swayed.
True, Rob hasn't ridden the reprofiled ride. So he bases his judgments off of what he's heard, in much the same way that you use the judgments of others to back up your own opinion. What's wrong with that?
Let me offer an elaborate example in another medium:
I've never seen The Birth of a Nation, but there is more than enough evidence for me to say that it's either, a) an important motion picture that set the modern standard for cinematography, or b) a blatantly inappropriate and racist film that should never be viewed again due to its controversial and prejudiced subject matter. Now, if most of my compatriots are film buffs, I'll probably hear that it's a great movie. And if I have friends that are heavily involved with political and social issues, I'll hear that it's a disgraceful piece of film. So it's possible that I'll already have an opinion formed when I do see it, based on what I've heard and from whom. But if I try to justify one argument, you can bet your bottom dollar that someone else will come around and offer me the counterargument in defense.
What I hope you can see in this case is that one's perspective of the movie, whether one has seen it or not, can be heavily skewed by outside opinion. Same deal with the Comet: the wood purist is obviously going to have a more skewed opinion than you will -- does that automatically make his wrong, simply because he's based his opinions on what his colleagues have told him? Before you answer, remember that you've done the same.
The bottom line is that you're both being closed minded and ignoring the counter-claims of the other party. You've both made up your own opinions -- informed or not -- and you're unwilling to sway from your stances. It's evident to me that passions are entirely too inflamed in this argument and it's time to lay it to rest...I know that's a blow to your ego, Nate, but you're not going to win any more than Rob is.
--Dave (who's going to calm down by going to see Saw and getting the living daylights scared out of him...because yeah, that's a productive way to accomplish his goal)
P.S. I've been a member of this message board for almost four years now, and I've read and posted enough to know how this place works -- ask 'Playa about how our interpersonal dynamic has evolved over the years if you doubt that. So if anyone is planning on responding to this piece by trying to level a personal attack against me, know in advance that nothing you'll say is going to keep me from sleeping tonight.
Let us not forget the Comet is VERY moody. There have been days were it has been too rough for me to really enjoy and others when it was silky smooth. The rain makes it jet as does the heat. It's certainly rougher in the cold.
Obviously a lot of coasters are moody. The Comet seems to be more moody in terms of DAYS than RIDES though. You could go on a day when it's not running well and the next day it could be your #1 woody.
The Great Escape should fix THAT! How about some consistency here people! ;)
Hobbes: "What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do?"
Calvin: "If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun."
coasterdude318 said:
Or you can choose to believe the General Manager of the park and people who have ridden the Comet this year and continue to say it's fine.
Right. Cause we all know the GM of the park would have no reason to spin anything...
Nate, you are the only person I have ever talked to on a message board that has the belief that your opinion is golden, and fact, and that everyone else that has a differing opinion is wrong. Its called an opinion for a reason.
Haven't we been over this time and time again? Just because you state it is so does not mean it is fact. I'd actually like to meet you in person to see if you are so hard headed face to face. Danny said you were quite nice in person, but, boy, you can be an ass on here, even when you are right.
--Dave (who has recently recovered from the adrenaline rush of Saw and highly encourages all to go see that fine flick!)
Now, you may disagree when you see it, but with the exception of one particular image during the "reverse bear trap" scene (trust me, you'll know which one I'm talking about), I didn't think it was all that gory. Really, it's not a horror movie: what it did was set a very dark mood and pace the story incredibly well -- the ending alone is worth the price of admission. Above all, it's a hardcore suspense-thriller/mystery with some serious shocks and spooks...my kinda flick. :)
--Dave (who's just glad that, despite all the buildup, Saw didn't disappoint him the way The Village did)
*** Edited 10/30/2004 6:27:16 AM UTC by Nitro Dave***
Nitro Dave said:
Well, rentzy, the topic of this thread is "How Bad Was The Great Escape Comet Butchered?", not "What Was Done to The Great Escape Comet?" One could say that, from the start, optimism was a lost cause this time!--Dave (who has recently recovered from the adrenaline rush of Saw and highly encourages all to go see that fine flick!)
This is true. I guess I'm just an extremely nice, caring, loveable, magnetic person eh? ;)
So how is SAW? I tell you now I will not see that movie. I saw The Grudge and was scared to death. I haven't been able to fall asleep at a decent hour all week. This is sad considering all of my friends who saw it with me thought it was lame.
In my head I keep seeing the scene where the girl is in the hallway of that office building. The part where she is walking toward the security camera. That was SO creepy. Also the part when that lady answered the phone and thought it was Matt but as soon as she hung up the doorbell rang! Oh my God that was awful. Right after that someone in the audience was like "You crazy!" Oh it was awful.
The Comet is wonderful.
P.S. Sorry if I ruined The Grudge for anyone.
*** Edited 10/30/2004 6:27:20 AM UTC by rentzy17***
Oh, and I liked The Village!:)
Nitro Dave said:
Well, rentzy, the topic of this thread is "How Bad Was The Great Escape Comet Butchered?", not "What Was Done to The Great Escape Comet?" One could say that, from the start, optimism was a lost cause this time!
I figured "Butchered" went with the season with Halloween, slasher movies, and dismemberment. I just figured "Butchered" sounded better then "What Was Done" nothing more nothing less.
But some people are talking like the Comet was butchered and others are saying it still runs the same.
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