Holiday World should ban smoking
kpjb said:
I'm not a smoker, but I'm an American, dammit, and I'm sick of people's rights being trampled on just because of what some people consider incorrect for the time being until they think of something new.
Right there with you. I am sick and tired of a bunch of liberal pinheads that think they can tell everyone what to do. I believe that you should be allowed to do as you want so long as it is not detrimental to others. And smoking is not detrimental to others. It is to yourself, but you know what, THAT IS YOUR CHOICE. It is what makes America so great, you have the choice to slowly kill yourself, all the more power to you. I wish people would just get off this PC bull and get on with a little more common sense.
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Ask yourself; When was the last time YOU visited Conneaut Lake Park?
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Uh oh, now I have begun the lobby to ban all caffeine products in an effort to prevent further abuse of the English language....I assure you, your efforts are in vain....muwahahaha....;)
Diet Coke...just for the taste of it!
Lord Gonchar said:
Yeah, I’m killing myself. Why do you care?
Sorry for us few that have compassion for other human beings. Some people, believe it or not, do care about other people. Like you said, basically everything is killing us. So why do another thing that will shorten the ammount of time you are here to spend with those who are close to you?
The "I'm going to die anyways" approach to life is one of the most pathetic you can have. But, I think the "I must do everything to keep myself around as long as I can!" is almost as bad too. That usually results in not allowing yourself in the pleasures of life. The best approach probably is "I want to live! I don't care if some things I do are harmful to my health!" Thats probably why I induldge a bit too much in some food. I doubt the salt I put on almost everything is good for me, but it's good! But I still won't do things that will harm both me and others, I don't have the right to put other people in discomfort.
Unless someone is squeaky clean and a nutritious freak, they have no right to chastise a smoker. Heck, even they dont have a right to chastise.
Do you drink? You might develop liver disease and if you get behind the wheel, you might just take another person's life. Nobody seems to come down on drinkers yet they contribute to the death of innocent lives.
If a smoker is inconsiderate, by all means, let them have it. If a smoker respects others and keeps their habit a distance away, I say, leave us alone.
Thats all for now. ;)
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*** This post was edited by Chitown 8/5/2003 10:36:20 PM ***
Smoking will never be banned at amusement parks. It's part of the freedom that we Americans have. You have the right to suck on a butt if you want to. Now for all you people who are trying to convince smokers that smoking is bad, save your non-ashtray smelling breath. If those warnings of cancer and death on the side of cigarette boxes from the Surgeon General doesn't do it, you screaming at them wont either.
Banning smoking at an amusement park is different than bans at restaurants and bars. It's easier to walk outside of Denny's if you need a cigarette, than it is if you're stuck in the back of an amusement park. I think that smoking on the midway is fine. Its really easy to pick up my feet and move.
It's a different story if I'm sitting on a bench and someone sits down next to me and lights up. I figure if they have no respect for me, than I'll have no respect for them. I usually say, "Hey, man what the fuc%! Do you really think I wanna smell that $h!t?!" That usually gets them to put it out or move.
I hate it when people smoke in line. I love being a big, intimidating looking guy. I only ask nicely once. If they don't comply I use a different approach. This approach might not work for everybody, but it works great for me. I call it the bouncer approach. I say, "Hey, homie I suggest you put that fuc%in cigarette out before I do it for you. And you don't want me to do it, trust me, its not painless, dog!" Like I said, that has worked wonders for me. Well, thats my two cents.
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*** This post was edited by Smokin & Ridin 8/5/2003 10:35:33 PM ***
It's funny how the people who think smokers are narrow minded and refuse to see the error of their ways are usually the first to ignore the real facts and just wonk away - those ridiculous "truth" commercials come to mind...
I am unable to tell you why I know this, because I am bound by a non-disclosure agreement, but the "Truth" campaign is a bunch of adults with an agenda leading impressionable teenagers down a PC path that will eventually know no bounds. They tell the kids "smoking is the most heinous evil action a human can concieve of" and the teenagers run with it! The kids don't come up with those commercials by themselves, they are led by the nose ring by adults who feel that only THEY know how to run our lives, and we, basic humanity, are not to be trusted with a decision as basic as "should I try this cigarette?" These people feel that the rest of us have no self control and will be influenced by even the slightest hint of a positive message from a tobacco company.
Most of this post is my OPINION on the individuals running the "Truth" campaign, however, I do really have first hand knowledge of how that operation is run. It used to drive me INSANE! That, of course, explains my post.
I do NOT smoke, but do not have a problem with smoking either, even if it does directly affect my breathing. I have a form of Muscular Dystrophy that attacks my lung capacity. I would NEVER go out of my way to insist that someone else stop smoking. I would simply remove myself from the situation. Problem taken care of, freedom rings.
Dave in MN
Black 7 said:
Right there with you. I am sick and tired of a bunch of liberal pinheads that think they can tell everyone what to do. Ask yourself; When was the last time YOU visited Conneaut Lake Park?
Now don't go pulling out the "L" word. There's nothing liberal about banning smoking. In fact, by definition of the word, it's a very conservative thing to do. Liberal means open-minded, free to try new things, not getting in the way of other people's liberties.
It's idiots pandering to the "middle ground" that cause all the crap in this country. I want Democrats who want to legalize, no require people to use crack cocaine. I want Republicans who make it illegal to have sex with anyone except to implicitly impregnate them under the bonds of matrimony. I'm sick of lines being blurred. It's about time someone stands out from the pack.
Bill Clinton happened to love cigars. (It was just his choice of ass-tray that was questionable... for God's sake, you're the president. Can't you call up Cameron Diaz or something?)
Oh, and I was at Conneaut for the first time two weeks ago and was amazed at how smooth the Blue Streak was. You'd think someone at CP or SFWoA could offer some $$$ to their carpenters to show them what wood's supposed to be like.
I'm gonna lay off the Heinekens now.
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daveinMN said:
I am unable to tell you why I know this, because I am bound by a non-disclosure agreement, but the "Truth" campaign is a bunch of adults with an agenda leading impressionable teenagers down a PC path that will eventually know no bounds. They tell the kids "smoking is the most heinous evil action a human can concieve of" and the teenagers run with it! The kids don't come up with those commercials by themselves, they are led by the nose ring by adults who feel that only THEY know how to run our lives, and we, basic humanity, are not to be trusted with a decision as basic as "should I try this cigarette?" These people feel that the rest of us have no self control and will be influenced by even the slightest hint of a positive message from a tobacco company.Most of this post is my OPINION on the individuals running the "Truth" campaign, however, I do really have first hand knowledge of how that operation is run. It used to drive me INSANE!
Heh, I believe it 100% - they don't even really try to hide it.
Sadly the morons who get "lured in" by advertising and take it at face value are the same morons the "truth" machine is swallowing up.
The most hilarious "truth" commercial ever was the one that compared something in your urine with something in cigarettes. Sheesh. My piss is probably 99% water - water must be bad using that logic. If anything that one argues the case that it isn't all that bad. If the same chemical in cigarettes is already produced (or broken down or whatever) naturally and expelled in my urine - then I guess our bodies are equipped to handle it.
Anyway - glad to know not everyone out there is a mindless drone willing to be swept up by crap like the "truth" campaign.
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Smokin & Ridin said:
Smoking will never be banned at amusement parks. It's part of the freedom that we Americans have.As I have said here before....NEVER say never. There are cities down here in Florida who have taken it upon themselves to ban smoking in public parks.
That is right, they have banned smoking in outdoor parks. The rationale is that they don't want to unconsciously promote smoking by allowing adults to do it in front of children. At my own parks the city has outlawed smoking within 100 feet of an organized activity.
I would say that they possibilities that amusemet parks might ban smoking are not that far fetched. I could see a park like Legoland being one of the first to do so.
Listen, who would have ever thought a park would provided unlimited refills of soda? Holiday World does...along with free sunscreen.
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Ah, heck. I screwed up that quote three times. You get the picture!
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Wood - anything else is an imitation
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kpjb said:
There's nothing liberal about banning smoking. In fact, by definition of the word, it's a very conservative thing to do. Liberal means open-minded, free to try new things, not getting in the way of other people's liberties.
I disagree. Banning things and regulating behavior is a very liberal approach.
CoastaPlaya said:
Like banning abortion, single-sex marriage and regulating album content?
Kind of, but not exactly.
I was more or less just pointing out that it's pretty silly to pin a thing like 'banning smoking' on either 'liberals' or 'conservatives,' when both groups are guilty of infringing on the liberties of others when trying to promote their agenda.
I just did it in an obtuse way that didn't really come across well in a message forum. One of those 'you had to hear the tone of my voice' types of things.
I was being sarcastic and sincere at the same time, if that makes any sense.
Closed topic.
