Has your homepark inproved since SF took over?
Ninja has been running with one-train operation for a year, which makes that line very grueling. Rides that desperately need a fresh coat of paint (Ninja, Flashback, Viper, Colossus, Revolution) havn't been painted in years. In my opinion, the year that they added three coasters was the turning point. Instead of using some money to improve upon esxisting rides, it all went to X, Deja VU and Goliath Jr. Now all the other rides are so far behind on improvements, there's no way they will ever catch up.
Flagship park???
My park, Marine World, has been changed for the better since Six Flags got it. While the whales have both died, all the other shows (and the new ones) are the same if not better. The coasters the park was putting in before Six Flags (Vekomas) were nice and what they could afford, but if Six Flags had not taken over, we wouldn't have Roar, V2, Medusa, or Zonga, or probably anything of that quality either. Flat rides that Six Flags have put in are also too expensive for former Marine World Africa USA's budget.
It is a great park now, it was a great park before, but now we also have coasters!
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I'm not an enthusiast. I just play one on message boards.
For a great comparison, SF added 8 new coasters to SFMW in just 6 years of ownership. A certain nearby park, 3 new coasters in 10 years of ownership. SF moving into the Bay Area was a total blessing for us local coaster enthusiasts, IMO.
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Homey G. said:
People from SFDL complaining kill me. You have Superman. Ok? You wanna trade?
Homey...if you remember a while back, when I started athread about trading coasters......NO ONE with any of the RoSs wanted to step up and trade. Still don't think they would...anyone whose park has one of these, find another thread if you wanna complain, since your park has improved drastically!
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The park still needs to focus on cleanliness, but I blame a lot of it on patrons apathy. I saw a girl the other day throw a cup against a wall when there was a trashcan less than 10ft. away. I guess this is the way that some people have been brought up. It also doesn't help that some trashcans are being left to overflow.
I would love to see is an expansion of the waterpark. Maybe not to Hurricane Harbour size, but there is still real-estate to put in other slide complexes, such as between the two existing slide complexes across from Crocodile Cal's Outback Beach House.
One more thought is that we need a junior/mine-train coaster badly. Sure, I love the high-intensity coasters, but there's not a lot for the smaller coaster enthusiasts to ride.
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Mamoosh said:
Soggy - just having more coasters does not make a park "great" or "better" than it was before. I've been going to the park since it opened in 1971 and I can saw without hesitation that the park *was* better when Newhall Land and Bally's owned it.The park has not received a new adult flat ride since Condor, and that was removed at the end of the season it debuted [at least 10 years ago]. In fact the park has fewer flats now than when it opened and of those remaining half are never operating. It's a walking park now...the monorail hasn't run in ages, the steam train is gone, the sky ride is gone, and the Dragon is gone. Oh, and the tower is never open.
Two of the newer coasters [X, DV] are unreliable, STE runs one side and hasn't hit 100MPH in years. Colossus has had about 80% of it's wood track bed repleaced with steel I-beam...it's about as much a wood coaster as Gemini.
Buildings and pads where rides used to exist are barren, blocked off, or left to rot [especially the lower Dragon station, which is still uninhabitable due to damage from the 1994 Northridge quake.
If that's SF's idea of a flagship then I wish we never would have received the designation.
mOOSH
More whining whining whining. Would you mind re-reading the title of this thread? Just *think* of what would have become of Magic Mountain if Six Flags had not acquired it. "Oh no...no flat rides!", "Oh no...a building left to dust!", "Oh no...it's not good enough for my expectations!".
- Hurricane Harbor water park
- Ninja, Viper, Psyclone, Flashback (imported, but still new to the park), Batman The Ride, Superman The Escape, The Riddler's Revenge, Bugs Bunny World, Goliath, Goliath Jr., Thrill Shot, Deja Vu, X, Scream!
All of the above - multi-million dollar investments that could have not existed. You freakin' "not good enough" whiners make me angry.
Psyclone....an improvement! LOL!
Give me the days of a great colossus, a Revolution without OTSRS, flat rides, and on and on and on.....
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I've gotten the Point of life, and can now pass away a happy man!.......
If merely adding coasters and an occasional waterslide make a park "great" then I'd buy an empty plot of land in LA, build 16 coasters on it [but not run them all], a few old flats [but only run half], some eateries that sell over-priced food, and hire people who hated their job. I'd gouge people's pocketbooks to park their car, again to get in the gate, and again when they're hungry and thirsty. I'd make sure my rides were run below capacity, if open.
Other than you and maybe a few other enthusiasts who else is going to come back to my park after they've had a horrible experience? Word of mouth will eventually make my park a flop. If SFMM was doing so well, why are they offering so many deals on admission?
I'm glad SF added a ton of coasters. But is it wrong to hope for a better park?
mOOSH
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Ninja - Decent, but running one train now I hear.
Viper - Not bad for it's kind, but it's still an Arrow looper.
Psyclone - Well, it IS the best Cyclone clone in California.
Flashback - Another WOW! attraction...as in WOW that was bad.
Batman The Ride - Awesome ride, but can be found loads of other places.
Superman The Escape - Imposing once, then kinda fun but dull.
The Riddler's Revenge - Pillow-y soft B & M standup...truely forceless.
Bugs Bunny World - My favorite part of the park, LOL!
Goliath - A decent but misguided hyper.
Goliath Jr. - Can't ride it.
Thrill Shot - Fun, but upcharge, and down more than it's up.
Deja Vu - Fun, no upcharge, ALMOST down more than it's up
X - Incredibly awesome on good days, horrible on other days...oh and it's been down almost more than it's been up.
Scream! - Fairly blah B & M offering...in a parking lot.
So, those are all the "pluses" Six Flags has brought. Up into the early to mid-90's, Revolution and Colossus were both still good rides. They now suck. The park has not added a new flat since 1989. <1989!!!> The water rides are adequate but out of date across the board. The food offerings consist of an always-closed pizza joint, a vermin-infested Denny's-type sitdown, and overpriced asian food. There are empty buildings and concrete pads all over the park.
My pluses: The park is extremely beautiful in places, it seems to be cleaner then it was in year's past, and they do run most of their coasters (the ones that don't hamstring them with capacity issues, anyways) with some efficiency. The staff is not as rude as they were in the 90's.
Guess it's pretty obvious why I'd rather go to Knotts.
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As much as I agree with the Moosh points, the alternative doesn't sound much more appealing.
And let's not even get into the "concrete" jungle that Knott's is becoming. I agree that most SF parks do need serious improvement, but I'm not quite ready to think of life *without* them either.
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Are you telling me that, given the amount of competition in the LA market, either company would have just stopped growning the park?
mOOSH
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*** This post was edited by Mamoosh 7/16/2003 3:39:43 AM ***
I almost hate to admit I agree with Krax. Bring out the tissue already, enthusiasts are cryin their usual sad song.
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What the hell is the title to this thread? I don't see any 'whining' in either Moosh's or BaSSiStiSt's posts. They're simply stating that SFMM hasn't improved as a park overall, and listing the reasons. I've never been to the park, but frankly the way it has been described both now and back then leads me to agree with them. Having many issues with my own Six Flags homepark, I feel that these have been some very legitimate complaints.
DWeaver said:
No, what I'm saying is, they *don't* currently exist. Whining about what could have been is just that, whining.
Bottom line, coasters alone do not make a park great.
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*** This post was edited by Vater 7/16/2003 9:10:05 AM ***
Exactly the point I've been making! I'm glad Six Flags upped the coaster count to 16. As an enthusiast that's awesome and from an enthusiast's standpoint yes, they've improved the park.
But when I [and I would think most non-enthusiasts] go to a park what is looked for is a complete experience: great coasters, great flats, great waters rides, great kiddie area, nice employees, clean paths and bathrooms, good and reasonable priced food, beautiful landscaping, and a well-maintained infrastructure that shows the park cares about it's image. It is my *opinion* that SFMM does not offer all of that, and so it is my *opinion* that, in the *big picture* Six Flags has not improved the park.
I think I'm being pretty reasonable and fair about my *opinion* of the park. As a theme park fan I want to see the park improve, and I've offered my *opinion* on what I think they should do [granted, I know nothing about operating a park].
How, exactly, am I whinning or singing that "same old sad song"?
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Mamoosh said:But when I [and I would think most non-enthusiasts] go to a park what is looked for is a complete experience:
I also agree with you, totally. I consider myself a casual coaster enthusiasts as I don't do everything a so-called "enthusiasts" does (ride kiddie coasters, attend coaster events, etc...) it's just that I enjoy riding coasters; however, I do like taking up the other attractions/scenery an amusement park has to offer....
I don't think what you said was remotely whining, because you stated great, valid points about the park. It just shows you are unbiased towards the park, unlike some on here.....
*Rollercoasters does not complete the overall experience at an amusement park, IMO.
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