Has your homepark inproved since SF took over?

SFDL has been destroyed except for my beloved S:ROS since six flags took over.

Six flags will not give us a new coaster, and hell not even a used one!

I have visited many other six flags parks and my home park is probably the worst and empty park. Too bad....................

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Your Park only has 1 good coaster! That's too bad!

RCG I couldnt agree more with you! It is refreshing to see that someone else on this board also has the same thoughts that I do. I love my home park. I dont care what anyone else says about it, but it is nice to hear that others like it too!
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SF has generally done well with WW/EV in the NW. Adding new flats last year, and one this year as well, they also added a coaster the last two years running. Klondike Gold Rusher is a fun mouse, and while their newest addition, the Timberhawk is underwhelming for a woodie, it will increase traffic to the park, which hopefully will continue it's expansion.

Now if they could work on the park's cleanliness....

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Bass said: "The net result for SFMM has been a negative." "I still have fun here, but it's NOTHING like it used to be."

Couldn't have said it better!

mOOSH - hasn't been to SFMM since March

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To say that Six Flags has somehow detracted from Magic Mountain's experience is insane. It is pretty safe to say that the previous owners of Magic Mountain (name of them escapes me right now) would NEVER have expanded and improved the park to the extent that Six Flags has. SF made it their flagship park (and roller coaster proving ground) for God's sake. I'm almost too young to remember going there pre Six Flags. But to say that it used to be better with how it was way back then compared to the coaster playground of today is rediculous.

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Yes, actually, my home park PKI *has* improved since SF took over Geauga Lake!

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Soggy - just having more coasters does not make a park "great" or "better" than it was before. I've been going to the park since it opened in 1971 and I can saw without hesitation that the park *was* better when Newhall Land and Bally's owned it.

The park has not received a new adult flat ride since Condor, and that was removed at the end of the season it debuted [at least 10 years ago]. In fact the park has fewer flats now than when it opened and of those remaining half are never operating. It's a walking park now...the monorail hasn't run in ages, the steam train is gone, the sky ride is gone, and the Dragon is gone. Oh, and the tower is never open.

Two of the newer coasters [X, DV] are unreliable, STE runs one side and hasn't hit 100MPH in years. Colossus has had about 80% of it's wood track bed repleaced with steel I-beam...it's about as much a wood coaster as Gemini.

Buildings and pads where rides used to exist are barren, blocked off, or left to rot [especially the lower Dragon station, which is still uninhabitable due to damage from the 1994 Northridge quake.

If that's SF's idea of a flagship then I wish we never would have received the designation.

mOOSH

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It is somewhat troubling that of all the SF parks I've been to, I'd only rank SFMM above SFKK.

And that's not by much. If SFKK had a really killer steel coaster, SFMM would probably fall to the bottom.

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Moosh - first, let's agree to disagree on numerous points. ;) I completely understand all of what you are saying, as someone who has seen it from the beginning. I, however, am looking at it from the point of view of a GP turned enthusiast in the year 2000. So from MY point of view, I can say that more and innovative coasters DO make a park better.

Flats: I tend to despise flatrides. At least all of the ones where "spinning" is the main form of movement (which is almost all of them). I can deal with a 300' drop, but put me in a teacup, I'm toast! Therefore the whole flatride arguement doesn't hold water for me.

Walking Park: The Monorail was ALWAYS ghetto, and since adding more land to the park, it only went to less than half of the areas anyhow. The Sky Ways have been a dying breed, deemed "unsafe" by the powers that be. Steam Train... I don't even remember that one. I need excersize anyway.

Dragon & Sky Tower, you've got me there. At least the upper Dragon station is in use.

I , personally, have been able to ride DV and X plenty of times. While they may have more than average downtime, I would hardly consider them flops. Both are top-notch thrillers,IMO. STE is still great, even at 90mph, again IMO. As for Colossus, so what if it has I beams? It still runs doesn't it? Besides, ever since the casteration of Big C since the '78 accident, it is a VERY average coaster at best. BTW, what's wrong with Gemini?

Would Newhall & Bally's have been able to continue the excellence of their past? Maybe, maybe not. I guess we'll never know.

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Eurpo-mir said:
I think SF has definitely improved The Great Escape for the better, and the same thing for SFNE but with SFNE, not as improved. Yes, they have added a world-class hypercoaster, a great addition to the waterpark, and a great floorless coaster, but with the additions came more people(mainly from Boston and NYC) and I don't think the park could handle the amounts of guests it received. Now, what 3 or 4 years later, that problem has been mostly covered but I still see it in some places(the waterpark, large lines for Superman) but I don't know of any ways to improve the problem.

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SF has done so much to SFNE! Remember, SF bought Riverside in 1996 but they didn't change it to SFNE until 2000. They didn't improve the waterpark they built it. They added most of the great flat rides and most of the great water rides. They also added 5 new coasters. The only bad thing SF did to Riverside was screw up Cyclone. Think about SFNE before 1996 and then think about it now and try to tell me that SF didn't do good.

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2-Boulder Dash
3-Yankee Cannonball


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That's fine, Soggy...we can agree to disagree.

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chris said:
It is somewhat troubling that of all the SF parks I've been to, I'd only rank SFMM above SFKK.

Your wording is confusing. It looks at first that you're saying that SFKK is your second favorite SF park. But I know you don't mean that. But you have to make it easier on us mental "gentle giants".

As far as the MM arguement goes. Personally, I don't like spinning flats much either, but parks need them. SFoG has about 4 flats total and the totally takes away from the whole park experience whether I'm interested in them or not. If nothing else, it deducts lines from coasters.
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...and it gives those who can't or don't want to ride coasters something to do!

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A couple of you commented that Premier did much more for your park than Six Flags did.

Today's Six Flags is Premier Parks. In 1998 Premier Parks bought out Six Flags, and began to change the names of the parks to the more widely recognized Six Flags. Premier later changed its corporate name to Six Flags. So in fact, the ownership of the former Premier Parks didn't change when the names were changed to Six Flags.

Homey - I figured that it was a given that SFKK would be at the bottom of the heap. ;)
*** This post was edited by chris 7/15/2003 5:39:25 PM ***

Soggy said:


Flats: I tend to despise flatrides. At least all of the ones where "spinning" is the main form of movement (which is almost all of them). I can deal with a 300' drop, but put me in a teacup, I'm toast! Therefore the whole flatride arguement doesn't hold water for me.


Just to throw in on the flats, whether you like them or not, they do do one thing, and that is increase capacity. With a bunch of flats a park can spread the crowds out. So even if you don't like riding them, many people do, and those people will be in line for those flats instead of ahead of you in line for the coasters. That is why flats would be an important addition to SFMM.

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I must say that Six Flags changed Kentucky Kingdom to the good. Even though Kentucky Kingdom is still not a Top 10 Park, it has changed much. I belive that small changes could make this my *GREAT* homepark!

I disagree 100% with you there. Before SF took over, they had an amazing expansion going on. They were adding rides every year, and things were getting better and better. Since SF bought the park, they have added 3 rides total, and have taken out at least one that I can remember. Not only that, but other nice aspects that the park had are gone now.

--Ryan

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You know everyone's complaining about SFKK, but at least they received a coaster this year, SFEG,SFDL haven't received anything! Now that's something to complain about.

I really like my park but really we have a serious coaster drought here in upstate New York and it seems Six Flags isn't going to do anything about it, Oh well.

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Your Park only has 1 good coaster! That's too bad!
*** This post was edited by darienlakefan 7/15/2003 6:19:55 PM ***

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SFEG and SFDL *did* receive something this year, just not a new ride. If it makes you feel better, tho, SFDL is getting something new *next* year!

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