Has Cedar Point gotten a little too full of themselves?

Friday, April 8, 2005 11:35 PM
I visited Cedarpoint.com and was greeted with perhaps some of the biggest false advertisements I have ever seen...

In huge red letters over lapping a happy picture of Charlie Brown and a family smiling jubilantly.... it read:

"Biggest Smiles on the Planet"

okay... Later I got another image this time of Maxair

"The Biggest Spin cycle on the Planet"

I refreshed the page..

Castaway Bay/Cedar Point Resorts

"Best Vacation on the Planet"

Then there was a picture of MF...

"Best Roller Coaster on the Planet" that’s up for some debate.

Can Cedar Point get anymore cocky? Seriously? How can you honestly say that a ride that hasn’t even opened yet be "The Greatest" especially when there’s an exact replica 5 hours to the south?

Best Vacation on the Planet? umm for a place that’s only open in the spring and the summer months I can give you a list about as long as my arm of places that anyone with fully functioning brain can say.. "Best Vacation Ever" and on that long nearly 3 foot list, an indoor water park would be near the bottom.

So that leaves MF, "Best Coaster on the Planet?" maybe, but i can list 5 that are pretty damn close.

So what’s the deal with Cedar Point being so cocky all of a sudden? Has the success of Mr. Six, a dancing geriatric really gotten to these people? Or the fact that CP doesn’t have a "Tallest and Fastest" coaster anymore really made that much of an impact on them that they need to slap "THE BEST" on everything.

i got another one for Cedar Point...

"THE BEST USE OF FALSE ADVERSITING ON THE PLANET"

Question: How exactly do you measure the "Biggest Smiles on the Planet?"

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Friday, April 8, 2005 11:40 PM
How about

"Best Anti-Fan-Boy Club on the Planet"

Heh heh...;)

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Friday, April 8, 2005 11:51 PM
I am sure the arguements will start, but in industry circles, fact is fact. They do a lot of things well.

They build great rides. Period. They put capital dollars where they are needed. Their market doesn't consist of 3 million guests every year, it consists of 12 million guests who come every 3-4 years religiously.

Cedar Point houses it staff, which allows it to draw from around the world. They build resorts that are heavy hitters at any park or beach. They build solid buildings that last decades, and in some cases, centuries.

Want to hear more? They create their own marketing campaigns, costume designs, logos, shows, and on and on it goes. I worked there to get my start 15 years ago, and I wouldn't trade that experience for anything in the world. CP creats a sub culture which creates memories.

Quite frankly, the park I work at now is larger, but not a day goes by that Cedar Point is not mentioned. I took mamagers their last year for their first time. It was like Santa Clause had a bagful of toys. Not all of Disney's parks can do that to someone.

Should their food be better? Yes, Should they give out more prizes in the games? Yes. Should the stuff in the retail shops be cheaper? Yes. They are not perfect. They have off days. But when **** hits the fan, they shine like no other park.

I have had the pleasure of speaking privately to Dick Kinzel at several IAAPA's over the years, and when we part, I always thank him for the experience of working there.

There are not many parks that are mentioned in the dead of winter at home that grandparents, neighbors, cousins, etc., all have happy stories. Yes, they are full of themselves, and they have earned it.

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Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:01 AM
The term "Best" is subjective. Most people, including myself, would consider Cedar Point as the Best in many categories.

Using the term "Best" is not false advertising. It is expressing the opinions of many guests!

I consider myself lucky for living within a couple hours drive of what I consider to be the greatest amusement park I have ever visited, and less than a half hour away from a great smaller park where I have the pleasure of working for the greatest amusement park company in the USA!

-Sam

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Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:13 AM
Listen, I've been to Cedar Point once, so I have no real reason to advocate for them. However, I think you're taking things a little too literally. If they want to claim "Biggest Smiles on the Planet", so what? Who's to say that you won't have a really big smile after getting off one of their 16 coasters (ok, maybe not Mantis or Mean Streak, but I digress)? About MaxAir being the "Biggest Spin Cycle on the Planet". In no way do I see that being any kind of challenge to PKI or any other park that owns a Giant Frisbee. If you look at the specs on the ride, you'd realize that hey, it probably is the biggest spinning ride out there, outside of an observation tower like the Kissing Tower at Hersheypark, which I would argue isn't a ride anyway.

About the vacation claim. Apparently (and I mean this with love), you're clueless about the explosive growth of the hotels with waterparks. Have you heard about the rates these hotels charge a night? At well over a $100 a night, you're damn right that you'll probably have a really good vacation. You get what you pay for. You also seemed to miss the award that Millennium Force got last year for best roller coaster in the world. Is there better? So what. We all have opinions and they rightfully have the right to their claim, until someone else gets the award.

If you watch t.v. there's lots of slogans that may not ring true in your particular situation. Will you really be "Loving It" after eating at McDonalds? Do you consider it "Eating good in the neighborhood" after eating at a Subway? Who cares? Don't get so caught up in the marketing of the park. Go and enjoy it instead. *** Edited 4/9/2005 4:51:06 AM UTC by Intamin Fan***

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Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:35 AM
Galvan316, you're a brave man. Good luck with this thread.
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Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:38 AM
All these ads show me is Cedar Point/Cedar Fair believes that they are do no wrongs. And they are better then everyone else at anything involving the amusement industry.

Heres another one...

"BEST YEAR ROUND VACATION SPOT"

Really?

Northern Ohio in the dead of Winter the best vacation spot? Only if your a moose

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Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:46 AM
lol...i want to comment, but i just cant think of anything to say...other than this; Galvan, enjoy life my friend, anxiety is a one way trip to an early life heart attack;)
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Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:47 AM
It's called advertising!

Do you think they actually believe that stuff? That no one smiles as much outside of CP?, etc..... of course not! They know that stuff's all subjective....it's called advertising!

Would you expect them to say? "Fairly large smiles happen here" "A good vacation spot, but there are probably places in the world you might like better" "Coasters that some consider the best" No way! Say it with me....it's called ADVERTISING!

Either way, I'll take that stuff over a retarded geriatric man with obvious physical problems and horrible music covering up for pi$$ poor customer service anyday! *** Edited 4/9/2005 4:49:32 AM UTC by Peabody***

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Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:50 AM
What are they suppose to say, Second best year round vacation spot? more smiles than frowns? It's advertising and it is not false. Most of the things they claim are unmeasurable as has been stated. According to your post they don't claim maxair best at anything. They are just stating it is the biggest spin cycle (as in a washer), which is true if there is another of equal size, but not larger than it is the biggest. One thing all this advertising is is a metaphor for family fun. False advertising is selling a BMW Z4 and delivering a Ford Escort.

Peabody beat me to it! *** Edited 4/9/2005 4:52:57 AM UTC by ldiesman***

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Saturday, April 9, 2005 12:51 AM
HOLD THE PRESSES............

Here's undeniable proof that Galvan is 100% correct!!!! They ARE lying!

Biggest Smiles on the planet (scroll down....)

*** Edited 4/9/2005 4:52:26 AM UTC by Peabody***

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Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:03 AM
Hey Galvan316, coaster enthusiasts from all across the country converge at Cedar Point at one point or another in their lives. It's like a mecca, if you will. In some areas, they are the best at what they do. That's indisputable. Who brought you the first 125ft., 200ft., 300ft., and 420ft. coasters? That's right, Cedar Point. They are an industry leader.

*** Edited 4/9/2005 5:14:21 AM UTC by Intamin Fan*** *** Edited 4/9/2005 5:15:49 AM UTC by Intamin Fan***

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Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:06 AM
Im not bothered one bit by these slogans.

I just dont think that they are as great as they adversite, period. I liked the park but in my opinion they arent the greatest or the best.

As for Peabody, what the hell does my picture have to do with anything of relevance in this discussion? *** Edited 4/9/2005 5:10:06 AM UTC by Galvan316***

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Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:20 AM
Oh my god Peabody, you're right! He looks down right pissed off! Come on man, you're at an amusement park (and one that's run well). Smile! Life is too short to get worked up over little things like this (and I would know, because I started a thread that went for 53 pages where I basically complained about people joking around and having fun on the site--Well, that's how it started:)...). If you see pictures of me from various parks, I always seem to have a smile on my face or at least a grin. It beats work anyday.

Peabody was trying to make the point that for a park that claims to create the biggest smiles, ironically, you don't have one. If you don't believe in their slogan, then maybe posting a picture from another park where you are smiling would be more appropriate (or do you even have one)?

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Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:20 AM
Avalanche Sam said:

"I consider myself lucky for living within a couple hours drive of what I consider to be the greatest amusement park I have ever visited, and less than a half hour away from a great smaller park where I have the pleasure of working for the greatest amusement park company in the USA!"

yes, it is a little smaller than the Point, but with the new WWK and such, it's stands at least as one of the biggest in the country.

I don't include the disney resort because thats obviously the greatest place to be in my eyes and four parks +. But as a single complex, GL is definately one of the bigger ones.

It's decieving, I would be over by time warp, and thought I could make it to the south side for a show or something, and when you don't take the ferry boat, that is a hell of a hike when your trying to get there at a certain time. Of course I didn't make it.

Anyway, I hope no one forgets that GL has ALOT more acrege than CP does. GL is 760+ acres, alot of it undeveloped, and CP is only 300+ acres. CP has more rides, that is one thing that definately makes a park feel bigger.

But GL does too, and when WWK is done, and they work on rides expansion, the park will grow and grow. Since the south side has been brought back to life , the size of the park has now grown once again.

I never really considered the animal stuff part of the park because it still felt like sea world, a seperate park. But since they are expanding the rides, and the new waterpark on that side, it just feels more like the park has grown to wrap around the lake. More like a whole park, and I'm sure with the new views in WWK across the lake, since most of the shoreline trees have been taken out, will definately blend the park together more.

GL has lots of expansion room, and in the years to come, I see Cedar Fair begin to market both parks together, since they are so close. Basically market northern ohio as the place to be.

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Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:28 AM

Agent Johnson said:

They build great rides. Period. They put capital dollars where they are needed.
Want to hear more? They create their own marketing campaigns, costume designs, logos, shows, and on and on it goes.

Quite frankly, the park I work at now is larger, but not a day goes by that Cedar Point is not mentioned. I took mamagers their last year for their first time. It was like Santa Clause had a bagful of toys. Not all of Disney's parks can do that to someone.



I will agree that CP is a good park for Operations, Admissions and Guest Services. Yet, to try and somewhat compare it to Disney in anyway, well your smoking some stuff that some others may want.

I would take any Disney Park in the US over CP for what it offers. Yes, I am into themeing and experience over CP or any other park in the US except Bonfante Park for experience. I don't expect Thrillville, USA at Disney, but they are heads over shoulders on every other park in the US, except Bonfante Gardens. Bonfante is no thrill park either, but if you want to experience the perfect day, thats a park you should think about trying.

Ed

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Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:31 AM
^^^Jeff, you so p0wnd him! :)
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Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:33 AM
Oh christ. Talk about making a non-issue into something.

It's been said, but let's reiterate.

It's advertising. It's catch phrases meant to sell the park.

If you read that and the first thing you think is "oh man, those people are arrogant" then you're missing the point by such astounding margins that the most comprehensive logic map in the universe isn't going to get you back on track.

There is no retort to such a misguided thought.

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Wow.

*** Edited 4/9/2005 5:34:12 AM UTC by Lord Gonchar***

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Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:39 AM
And i take it that your the leading authority on everything now?

Your missing the point...

I hate the fact that Cedar Point thinks they are the greatest at everything... When they have 3 maybe 4 Great coasters, and the rest of the rides are sub-part at best.

Thank God Six Flags Great America is my home park

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Saturday, April 9, 2005 1:46 AM
Six flags is miserable at everything, but they market perfection. cedar fair might market perfection, but at least they are closer to it!!!
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