Halfpipe coaster in finland.
laurence said:
it is an intamin version of the hammerhead stall coaster. the vekoma hammerhead stall should open at fantasy island, UK sometime in 2003.
Actually, it isn't. A HammerHead Stall (HHS) from Vekoma is a rather different ride. The halfpipe can be considered a pukeride. It is basically a frisbee on coastertrack. A HHS is a true coaster, on which the vehicles revolve 180 degrees at the top of the track.
rockman89 said:
Wasn't Vekoma supposed to build one at some mall project or something a few years back and the deal didn't work?
The HHS has almost been purchased by Six Flags, to be placed in Six Flags Holland for the year 2002. This deal was canceled because of Vekoma's financial problems, and the malpayment histury of the Six Flags corporation. The prototype has now been sold to Fantasy Island, and will open in 2003 under the name Stunt Flyer.
Vertigo said:
The Vekoma Hammerhead Stall is going to Särkänniemi
The Intamin Halfpipe is going to Fantasy Island
Two different coasters, and no, they're not from the same manufactuer. Besides, isn't the one going to Fantasy Island almost twice as big?
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. No offense, but this is as wrong as you can get. The Intamin prototype has now been erected at Särkänniemi, and the Vekoma HHS will be shipped to Fantasy Island soon. It is currently still in Holland, where it is being repainted and refurbished.
Anders said:
Woah! That took what? Less than a month?
IMHO, Vekoma still holds the speed-building record. They have erected a standard SLC including foundations in a little over 2 weeks. You must admit an SLC is a bit more coaster than that double-frisbee like halfpipe! :)
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The Intamin halfpipe is *hardly* a "rather different" ride from the Vekoma Hammerhead Stahl. All that differs is the seating arrangement and the fact that the Vekoma ride only turns around at the top of the track, rather than constantly spinning like it seems the Intamin ride will do. I certainly don't see how this would make one ride a coaster and one obviously not.
-Nate
coasterdude318 said:
The Intamin halfpipe is *hardly* a "rather different" ride from the Vekoma Hammerhead Stahl. All that differs is the seating arrangement and the fact that the Vekoma ride only turns around at the top of the track, rather than constantly spinning like it seems the Intamin ride will do. I certainly don't see how this would make one ride a coaster and one obviously not.
- A HHS is a 60 or 80 metre tall construction, a halfpipe is 30 metres high.
- A HHS is brought to the top of one of the two towers by using a conventional cable-system, the halfpipe is launched up via LIM's.
- A HHS has mechanised turning, a halfpipe turns at random.
- A HHS has roller coaster trains, a halfpipe has a variation on Gyroswing trains.
You're right, barely any differences. IMHO a halfpipe is just a frisbee / gyroswing combination on rails. A HammerHead Stall is designed to be a short track shuttle coaster. Concept and presentation make the real difference.
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2) Originally, Vekoma's ride was to be powered completely by LIMs. I'm unaware of any change that was made to the original concept/design. Making a change in *initial* power however (LIMs vs cable) also does not define a difference between what is and is not a coaster.
3) I mentioned the difference in turning (again, hardly a major difference). The difference you mention in cars is just confusing. What makes Vekoma's cars "roller coaster cars" and Intamin's not? Intamin's certanly ride on rails. I guess I just don't see a difference.
Overall, I'd say the rides are strikingly similar and *barely* different. It's like calling a Vekoma rollerskater drastically different from a Zierer tivoli coaster - really, the differences are minimal and nobody is going to notice. IMO, they're the same damn ride. But I guess that's just an opinion.
-Nate
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BrandonR, do you even know what the word "retarded" means? Apparently not. According to The American Heritage College Dictionary Retarded means "1. Affected with Mental Retardation. 2. Relatively slow in mental, emotional or physical development."
I work with the Mentally Retarded and it deeply hurts me that people can use words like that. Using the word "retarded" like it is a bad thing, when the word itself ISN'T a bad thing makes me mad. How would you like it if you had a condition that you could NOT control and people said its name like it was a horrible thing. "You are so Brandon". I dont think you would like it either. MRDD people have feelings too.
Normally I just keep my mouth shut, but sometimes I cant take it anymore. I'm sorry Brandon I'm not just picking on you but anyone who uses that word like that.
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What I wouldn't give to see Paul McCartney in concert...
Perhaps I should rephrase and say the designers were mentally retarded then? That would fit your definition just fine! Thanks for correcting me.
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What I wouldn't give to see Paul McCartney in concert...
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I talked with the Dippin' Dots guy and he assured me that Cedar Point was to get that 10-inversion terra-woodie-invert-stand-up because Magnum is sinking. The current construction is for the new super-Dippin' Dots stall he is to run.
You have "TOGO!" in your signature yet I'm the "mentally retarded" one?
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rockman89 said:
Back on topic, I found where I saw the original deal. I read it at the late ThrillRide!
It's all coming back to me now. :) Problem is that the first prototype wasn't fully functional untill the mid of 2001. There where some major problems at first, unfortunately I am not allowed to say what they where..
I haven't a clue why the HHS wasn't installed at the location it was to debute. My guess is that Vekoma didn't meet the deadline.
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The Intamin ride and the Vekoma ride are basically the same ride with some minor differences. It sounds like the Intamin ride is continual motion, while the Vekoma climbs up slowly and drops, along with the continual spinning of the Intamin. But basically, the same ride.
I do think the Intamin ride will provide bascially the same ride as a frisbee, but on tracks instead of an arm. It is a coaster, but now does this make the Schwarzkopf Santa Maria http://schwarzkopf.coaster.net/ESshuttleboatGF.htm a coaster too? :)
Super7, calling the Intamin Halfpipe a coaster would not, IMO, necessarily include Schwarzkopf's Santa Maria. The Santa Maria is completely and constantly powered by tires (thus no coasting). I also would not consider that a roller coaster car (the wheels are entirely fixed; the "car" would not be able to travel on a straight piece of track), nor would I consider that roller coaster track. The Intamin halfpipe looks like an Impulse to me, while the Schwarzkopf does not.
-Nate
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Parts of the cars have arrived and construction continues on the station.
Two new pics: http://www.huvipuisto.net/huvipuis/halfpipefi.htm
Hate to crash your party Nate, but the HammerHead Stall very much materialized.
http://www.savelkoul.com/images/AEROBA~2.JPG
The official reason given for the canceling of the HHS was that Vekoma didn't meet the deadline. I don't believe that though.
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