Flying Turns Update
Perhaps they should work on a terrain coaster on the hill to the left of the parking area. Seems to be working at Lake Compounce.
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Jason Hammond said:I heard the carousel was being relocated, but I don't know if that's true or where it would be going.
It has been earmarked for Worlds of Fun, last I heard
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Acoustic Viscosity said:
Looking forward to seeing this take shape in the coming months. I hope it's ready in time for PPP '06.
This thread is so great to go back and read through. ;)
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On a more current note, if this were any other ride at any other park, I doubt the general reaction would be such pleasant patience.
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Ajrides said:
I just cant understand why they could build these rides in the 30s and 40s and have no problems but with all the technology advances and they cant get it running. Its time to open the wallet and get it done.
It's possible that the rides were built in the 30's and 40's and have the same problems that the Flying Turns has today, however due to stricter safety regulations today FT isn't "flying."
From what I understand there is an issue with the train. A test will be done on the train on the course and the results analyzed. A problem might be found in that analyzation, a solution must then be designed, manufactured, and tested again. Sometimes the "solution" may make the problem worse or cause something else unexpected to happen and the process is repeated.
Considering this ride has no upstop wheels and no guide wheels with very tight turns taken at relatively high speeds I'm sure that are some very demanding safety guidelines that must be followed.
I'm not on the inside of this so I don't know, just simply speculating. I agree with the frustration in waiting three years for something that seems very simple to execute to open, but I'll wait. There's not much else we can do about it.
~Rob Willi
They probably should have designed the trains first by building a small section of the ride and testing them... like every other ride manufacturer does. Now they have this huge wood structure and can't get the trains to run on it.
So far the footage of the trains running on YouTube is yawn inducing. I hope they pull it off.
Lord Gonchar said:
On a more current note, if this were any other ride at any other park, I doubt the general reaction would be such pleasant patience.
On a more current note, people like some parks more than others. I don't see what's wrong with that, especially with a park like Knoebels which as certainly earned it. *** Edited 6/25/2008 5:22:05 PM UTC by matt.***
matt. said:
I don't see what's wrong with that, especially with a park like Knoebels which as certainly earned it.
Never said there was anything wrong with it. Just an observation. :)
a_hoffman50 said:
We waited ten years for RFII and look how nicely it turned out... I say waiting another year will not hurt.
This is much different. It would be like building Ravine Flyer II then seeking the approval.
Maybe I am wrong. Didn't they start design of the cars after they began construction?
a_hoffman50 said:
We waited ten years for RFII and look how nicely it turned out... I say waiting another year will not hurt.
There's a difference between taking ten years to get it built and ten years to build it. ;)
Not sure what building a small section of track would do. It might help somewhat with the transitions between trough and track sections (which is where I understand some of the issues are). But it wouldn't replicate the speed, etc. in the trough sections.
Some differences between the 30s and 40s and now: People are far more likely to sue now than back then, and 10 people riding in the 21st century weigh a lot more than 10 people riding back then.
Pleasant patience-- the way I see it, what choice do I have? Jumping up and down and yelling won't make the ride open sooner. Besides, it's not like the raised admission by some huge amount to include a ride that isn't running. Did CP and GAdv offer discounts for those lengthy periods when TTD and KK were down their first year?
eightdotthree said:
If you criticized TTD for having a hard time getting up and running, your not allowed to give Knoebels a pass on this one!
Anything else you care to tell us what we can and can't do?
Some people have their biases with parks and I know there's a lot of love out there with Knoebels. On the flip side of that coin there's a lot of love for CP, too. I'm one of those who criticized Dragster for the fact that their prior two coasters had significant downtime their first season and yet went along with another Intamin coaster. They had also gotten the ball rolling on constructing Dragster before Xcelerator even had its first test run. I was skeptical of Maverick when it was first announced because of the complexity of the ride and it was another Intamin ride. Aside from the third inversion they were able to pull it off.
Compared to the Bartlett Flying Turns, this is one of the smaller of the layouts, they could have built something large and complex yet they didn't. From the outside the concept seems simple, build a trough, roll a train down it and you're done. However, that wasn't the case, otherwise it would be open.
I'm disappointed that Flying Turns wasn't open for PPP last year but I still went for the Phoenix and Twister rides, much like I did for the Magnum rides at CP when Dragster, MF, and WT were down their first seasons.
~Rob Willi *** Edited 6/25/2008 5:55:23 PM UTC by HeyIsntThatRob?***
HeyIsntThatRob? said:
They had also gotten the ball rolling on constructing Dragster before Xcelerator even had its first test run.
Much like Knoebels got the ball rolling on design and construction before having a train that would work and they could design the ride around.
But what do I know? It just seems reckless to me. I am still going for two nights in August regardless of this.
RatherGoodBear said:
Besides, it's not like the raised admission by some huge amount to include a ride that isn't running. Did CP and GAdv offer discounts for those lengthy periods when TTD and KK were down their first year?
Not looking for a fight. Like I said to matt, just an observation.
But just for the record, Knoebels RAD with wood coasters option is $2.50 higher this year than 2007. And that price was $1.00 more than 2006. And that was $2.50 higher than 2005. So they've raised the price of the RAD with wood by $6 since they started construction. No way to say how much of that is for or directly related to the Flying Turns.
In comparison, CP raised the gate $1.95 the year TTD kinda opened.
HeyIsntThatRob? said:
I'm one of those who criticized Dragster for the fact that their prior two coasters had significant downtime their first season and yet went along with another Intamin coaster...... MF, and WT were down their first seasons.
Rob, Im pretty sure that MF had very minor downtime for it's first season. I think it went down for about 6 days when the cable broke and it had a rollback I think once. . but was reopened later that day.
Twister went down for a little bit (like 2 weeks around Coastermania) as well, but I wouldn't classify either as "significant downtime" which we all agree that Dragster had.
As for the Turns, Knoebles will get it working, it just takes time.
Lord Gonchar said:
RatherGoodBear said:
Besides, it's not like the raised admission by some huge amount to include a ride that isn't running. Did CP and GAdv offer discounts for those lengthy periods when TTD and KK were down their first year?Not looking for a fight. Like I said to matt, just an observation.
But just for the record, Knoebels RAD with wood coasters option is $2.50 higher this year than 2007. And that price was $1.00 more than 2006. And that was $2.50 higher than 2005. So they've raised the price of the RAD with wood by $6 since they started construction. No way to say how much of that is for or directly related to the Flying Turns.
In comparison, CP raised the gate $1.95 the year TTD kinda opened.
Which is why I buy tickets. :)
But still, nobody is required to buy a ride all day pass at Knoebels. Everyone who entered the gate @ CP was required to pay that $1.95 whether they wanted to ride TTD or not, and whether they were able to ride or not.
RatherGoodBear said:
Which is why I buy tickets. :)
I knew you'd say that. :)
But still, nobody is required to buy a ride all day pass at Knoebels. Everyone who entered the gate @ CP was required to pay that $1.95 whether they wanted to ride TTD or not, and whether they were able to ride or not.
Phoenix ride:
2005 - $1.80
2008 - $2.00
Twister ride:
2005 - $2.00
2008 - $2.20
HSTC ride:
2005 - $0.80
2008 - $1.00
Carousel ride:
2005 - $0.80
2008 - $0.90
Paying 10 or 20 cents extra a ride adds up pretty quickly.
Tickets go up too. The park isn't dumb. They know they're selling a lot of tickets in addition to RADs. Either way you're contributing to the overall cost of the park. That $2.00 isn't just Phoenix money.
It's not just 20 cents more to do each ride now, it's 20 cents per ride more to maintain the park now.
*** Edited 6/25/2008 7:21:22 PM UTC by Lord Gonchar***
2000: 1,735,347
2001: 1,954,163
WT
2002 1,024,232
2003 1,100,583
And of course Dragster:
2003 562,438
2004 943,313
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