Fly at the Speed of Fear (SFMM Flying Coaster)
So basically, you got nothing.
Everyone sucks, we don't understand that it's a coaster park, we're all haters, we should stop going, the half dozen rides not running are 'lame' anyway, we're all just a bunch of b!tches.
Personal attack is always the last resort.
How silly of us to discuss our issues with the park, care and wish it would do better. If we'd just ignore the problem, it'd go away.
The detailed response:
If God had come up with this name and slogan himself you people would still have a problem with it only because it's at SFMM.
First off, I actually like the tagline and have never complained about it once, so I guess that's not directed at me.
Oh please get over it and yourself 6 to 8 lame rides down and you go into a bit*hing frenzy, I could see if it was 6 to 8 of the major coasters what people actually go to SFMM for not a freakin tilt a whirl.
I guess that depends on who you are. I don't know very many people who go to amusement parks just to ride coasters. And as far as me personally, I often don't ride every coaster at a park because I'm doing other things. At SFMM I didn't ride all the coasters because we found ourselves trying flats and such. That's a weak retort and no indicitive of the average parkgoer in any sense.
People just want to bit*h about Flashback just to bit*h, when the ride was open nobody rode it, and when they did ride it all they did was complain. Now that it's closed people want to act like it's a B&M SBNO get over it, the ride is a painful POS and people should be glad it's not operating.
I rode Flashback. Twice even. If I went back to SFMM, I'd love the chance to do it again. There's alot of similar comments on the forum. Flashback is like an enthusiast rite of passage. Most people ARE disappointed that it's down because it's one of those things you just have to experience for yourself and most around here have been denied that chance. If the ride is going to stay closed then...Taer it down!!!11 :)
WOW rides down for rehab and it's a problem during what is the begining of the off season SFMM sucks for that. Are you going to say the same things about the parks towards the east that close completely during the off season or should they just stay open rehab nothing and kiss you enthusiast asses.
No they should be smarter about their rehab schedule and make ALL their guests happy, not just enthusiasts. The other year round SoCal parks and the Florida parks seem to be able to do all the necessary work and not have between 13% and 18% of their rides down at any given time. It's poor management, plain and simple.
The damn park is closed during the weekdays, what would be the best time for rehabs, you people complain if the park don't rehab rides you people complain when they do. If SFMM closed down completely during the off season to rehab everything you people would freakin complain about that, hell some already bit*hed about it being closed during the weekdays, so when in the hell do you expect this park to get anything done if they have to go by all of you enthusiasses schedules.
Personal attacks that don't apply to me as I've never said anything included in that. I guess I'll leave it for someone it applies to.
Yes it's true the park isn't perfect
Understatement of the year.
could use more flat's/family rides
Indeed.
but it's not near bout as bad as you coasterbuzzers make it out to be and if it's that damn bad then why the hell do you keep going.
I don't and I have no intentions on returning anytime soon. The truth is, my family and all the money we drop at a park in a given day wouldn't have much fun there. In SoCal, Disney, Knott's and the smaller parks get our money.
Why even acknowledge the place if it's just that bad, you people just love bit*hing that's all that's it.
Because this is a discussion board for fans of roller coasters and amusement parks. I never read any rule that says discussion has to be limited to the positive - in fact, it'd be quite boring if it were. When it comes to Valencia, there's not much nice to say...
...except that the new flyer has a cool tagline. :)
Props my man, you ripped him a new one, damn!
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I got to ride 13 out of 15 existing coasters at the time. I enjoyed Riddler, X, Goliath, and Ninja.
Unfortuantely, we didn't get to ride any non-coaster rides except for Orient Express because... well, either they didn't exist (and still don't) were in pieces, were missing, or were just plain closed.
That's right. Two days at the park and none of the big kid flat rides were open. Zero. Unless you count the log flume and the rapids ride.
It was a very coaster-heavy experience (not by choice), the operations sucked, the park was dirty, the staff was rude, the park was understaffed, the food was bad and over priced, and we spent all our money on parking.
That's as fair as I can get.
Oh, and before you start calling me a CP fanboy, check out some of my posts on Pointbuzz about the pathetic state of affairs at the park in my backyard.
John != Fanboy
Flats what flats I thought they didn't have any nor any worth riding. I also thought SFMM had nothing but coasters so what flats and such could you have been doing, according to you'll they don't exist.
"I rode Flashback. Twice even. If I went back to SFMM, I'd love the chance to do it again. There's alot of similar comments on the forum. Flashback is like an enthusiast rite of passage. Most people ARE disappointed that it's down because it's one of those things you just have to experience for yourself and most around here have been denied that chance. If the ride is going to stay closed then...Taer it down!!!11 "
Only so you/they could find something to bit*h about and bash SFMM over. So you could say yes I'v rode flashback and it sucked. Come on who wants to actually ride flashback it's a painful POS remember now all of sudden it's a right of passage lol you humor me. Yes If it's not operating it should be tworn down I can agree with that.
"I don't and I have no intentions on returning anytime soon. The truth is, my family and all the money we drop at a park in a given day wouldn't have much fun there. In SoCal, Disney, Knott's and the smaller parks get our money."
DON'T that's my point there are are other parks, But I'm sure in time the first time you feel the park or it's employees aren't kissing your rump you'll find and have something to complain. It seams to never end with you people.
"Understatement of the year."
Well Mr. Freakin Perfect can you tell me what is perfect or what parks are perfect. I can already hear it in that perfect cough of yours ...cough CP cough, like I haven't heard that cough before you can over dose on Robitussin with that one.
"Because this is a discussion board for fans of roller coasters and amusement parks. I never read any rule that says discussion has to be limited to the positive - in fact, it'd be quite boring if it were. When it comes to Valencia, there's not much nice to say..."
Yet does it always have to be negitive?
Also if there was nothing good comming out of Valencia then why are you guys harping over their new flyer. Why would any of you care what the name, slogan, layout was going to be if nothing good ever came outta Valencia. That moves my point that all you want to do is to find and have something to complain about.
OH how cute he has cheerleaders WOW *** Edited 9/24/2005 8:23:26 PM UTC by westcoaster man***
Flats what flats I thought they didn't have any nor any worth riding. I also thought SFMM had nothing but coasters so what flats and such could you have been doing, according to you'll they don't exist.
I never said that...anywhere...ever...on this site. If you can find it, please point it out and make me eat my words. Please.
Yes If it's not operating it should be tworn down I can agree with that.
The best part is that the one thing you agree with was the one joke I made. Classic! :)
Well Mr. Freakin Perfect can you tell me what is perfect or what parks are perfect. I can already hear it in that perfect cough of yours ...cough CP cough, like I haven't heard that cough before you can over dose on Robitussin with that one.
Again, putting words into my mouth. Don't label me as a CP fanboy. I haven't been to CP in over 2 years. Why? Because while I enjoy the park, it's not the be all end all of parks. I'll get back someday, it's not a priority.
What I find funny is the fanboy crying fanboy.
Yet does it always have to be negitive?
It's not. In fact it's not even always negative when referring to SFMM. It's just mostly negative, not totally.
I guess rather than expecting a general consensus to stop discussing the way they feel about a park, that maybe you should avoid the discussion if it angers you so much. Seems easier to avoid what annoys you than expect a couple hundred other people to quit discussing something and alling them all b!tches. You really don't see how ridiculous that is?
Also if there was nothing good comming out of Valencia then why are you guys harping over their new flyer. Why would any of you care what the name, slogan, layout was going to be if nothing good ever came outta Valencia. That moves my point that all you want to do is to find and have something to complain about.
So coaster enthusiasts aren't expected to discuss a new coaster? Really, what planet are you from?
Look, in the end, I'm sorry that the general tone of the board towards SFMM anger you. (Actually, I'm a little wigged that it angers you so much, but...)
If it really is that much of an issue, start some pro-SFMM conversation, or avoid it or whatever.
Prior to you jumping all over the pic I posted, all I added to this thread was a list of rides at various parks and a picture of the closed ride list at the park last weekend.
How the hell did I get pulled into this insanity? :)
It is clear that our main objective in the creation of Coasterbuzz, praising Cedar Point at every chance given, is just not working as planned. There are certain rogue elements amoung us who have, in essence, lifted the curtain, allowing even the most casual of observers to suddenly realize that SFMM and SFGAdv are actually brilliant parks, bringing our lengthy and pleasurable Cedar Point circle jerk to an end.
I have repeatedly visited Cedar Point over the years, and despite the huge coaster line up, fantastic atmosphere, and hyper-efficient operations, I have realized through the teachings of westcoaster man and kRaXLeRidAh that SFMM is actually a far superior park. I have also learned that comparing SFMM and Cedar Point is actually useful and inspires interesting discussion, even though the parks are hundreds of miles apart, and don't share any sort of market, at all, ever.
I have been so blind. The bias at this message board against all Six Flags parks is so vast and ingrained in our message board culture. I regret all of those times visiting Magic Mountain, bemaoning the lack of things I could enjoy with my entire family, wishing all the coasters were open, hoping that they could actually maintain their wooden coasters, praying that they would run consitently at full capacity.
I should have been enjoying myself so much more...if only I hadn't been brainwashed by coasterbuzz. Westcoaster man, you are right, I was just trying to find something, ANYTHING to complain about. I feel so guilty...all of these years bashing Magic Mountain, gleefully! It brought me such pleasure, wringing my hands together, wondering what I could possibly find to dislike at SFMM, if only to further exalt Cedar Point into the stratosphere of pure roller coaster awsomeness that is Sandusky, Ohio. In hindsight, I am so ashamed.
I know it is somewhat blasphemous, but I think maybe it is time to allow negative comments about Cedar Point on coasterbuzz. The moderators have been very careful in the past about censoring or deleting anything that wasn't fully positive about Cedar Point, but I believe now be the time to put and end to this. I know to hear about this is surprising to many of you SFMM fanboys, considering that you have never seen a single criticism of Cedar Point on coasterbuzz, ever and now you know why. Moderators, I make a motion to stop censoring negative comments about Cedar Point immediately! They only create a distraction from what we should be doing, praising the amazing minds that brought us so many mind blowing, well-run attractions at Magic Mountain.
I have seen the light. Now excuse me, but I need to book a flight so I can get to SoCal and get a few more spins on X. I hope it's running!
The negative experience at SFMM to Negative experience at CP ratio just on Trip Reports is about 8 to 1.
There are exceptions.
Case in Point: Son of Beast is my favorite Rollercoaster. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GO AROUND PARADING THAT IT IS AWESOME, because I know that apparantly most of the time it's ass, and that I was short enough at the time that it couldn't bash my knees into peach jelly.
This whole discussion is now against the TOS anyway.
Oh, and ya'll are forgetting the monorail. It wasn't open on that day either. Face it, we all want the park to not suck. The park isn't all about coasters, regardless of what some think. I have my opinion, and have just as much of a right to say Six Flags Magic Mountain Sucks Tremendously as much as you fanboys have a right to defend it. I don't get all ballistic when you say it doesn't suck, so stop flippin out when I say it does suck.
Unless you are a "total, this is all I do, I think of one thing" coaster enthusiast, this park has pretty much nothing else to offer to fullfill a day.
SFMM is set in a great spot, it has beauty in the landscape, it has the coasters, it has the ultra cheap $47.99 season pass that I so graciously used for my 2005 SFGAm season.
Other then that, it LACKS BIG TIME!!!!!
My favorite MJ tune: "Billie Jean" which I have been listening to alot now. RIP MJ.
But, and this is from my experience last year, Cedar Point knew what they were doing. Great capacity, Mantis not withstanding. Great customer service. What were they lacking? A couple of updated flats, which is something they're taking care of. They could also use a family dark ride of some sort, and they really, really need another family coaster for little ones. There is a gap.
SFMM was lacking all that CP lacks, plus capacity, friendlyness, cleanliness, and more. Six Flags Magic Mountain has so much potential. Every single coaster I rode there, were it to be maintained properly (and if they got rid of the OTSRs & trims on Revolution) had the possibility of being my new top 10 or at least in my top 20, with the exception of Supes, and that still wasn't a 'bad' ride.. Seriously.
Six Flags Magic Mountain has more potential than any other park I could think of. They really could have something special there. From my understanding, the park used to be 'Magic'. Now it truely is 'Tragic'.
I wanted to like SFMM. I loved the lineup of coasters, but that was all I was able to do that day, and still only did 11. The only other ride I did was Freefall, and it had terrible lines and only 2 tubs running. Six Flags Magic Mountain, were it maintained properly and ran better, could very easily have been my new favorite park, and my favorite park on the trip. After spending a week going to places like Disneyland, USH, and Knott's, though, it fell very, very short. Which is sad.
So much lost potential.
So much has happened to that park in 4 years. It went from being the THE thrill destination to a park run into the ground. Does anyone that work there read these boards? Not that most of us are experts or anything, but they have some serious issues that just seem to fester each year.
I just hope that with the recent buying spree that Great Adventure is going through, it does not end up in the same situation (Although 1999 was fairly comparable)
Fate is the path of least resistance.
But that's the thing, 'tuan, we really are the experts. I'm not talking about the kiddies that say 'SFMM needs this or that kind of coaster'. However, I am the consumer, and I know what I want and how I want to be treated. Most of the level headed people on this site, and some non level heads aren't stupid.
If you notice, what do the sound people here say? First and foremost, a better experience. Paint things. Train people. Make them friendly. Then you hear a wider variety of rides.
Dont' think the GP don't feel the same.
Why does "supposedly" the flagship park in the chain offer "buy a one day admission into the park and get a season pass for free" unless they are hurting for attendance?
You wont find that offer at SFGAm ever.
My favorite MJ tune: "Billie Jean" which I have been listening to alot now. RIP MJ.
Anway, what I'm saying is that its all about return on investment. Offering a season pass with a one day admission will work for some parks and not for others, regardless of annual attendance. THAT being said...a park like SFMM should NOT be one of those parks. Just speculation here...maybe I'm way off base.
Now all we need to do is grab Moosh, Playa, Dweaver, and I know I'm missing a few but with those three and Tekno, Gonch, Chitown, and legendary we can get a hell of a CB bashparty going. So lets get this party started right.
Micheal Darling and the rest of the cheerleaders get you pom poms, Micheal Graduated from Pixie Dust High School so he'll be the captain of the cheerleaders. So get those pom poms were bout to have a CB SFMM bashparty Whoopie doobie doooo
Not sure why my name was grouped in there, all I said was there are other parks besides SFMM that offer buy one day, get a year passes.
But I'm pretty sure you didn't even read (let alone comprehend!) my post, so I guess it's not a surprise why you included me.
At any rate though, I think it's funny that NOTHING in the industry is a secret anymore. Hell, even SFGAd's woodie name is already out thanks to snoops who go to the US Trademark website.
Joe
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