Enthusiast ban list is real
ldiesman said:
http://webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionaryThe "gift" is #3! Gifts do not always mean "Free". The gift is that for a fee we are treated to the park for a day with special treatment.
My girlfriend is a wordsmith also!
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Ummm, your link doesnt go anywhere. It just says "No arguments in request"
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"You sue the park for $10M. You lose because you're an ass, but the park spent $5000 in legal fees".
Except ... you wouldn't lose. And that's a big part of the problem. The 600-pound gorilla in all this - the one that rarely gets mentioned - is the insurance industry. This is of course not limited to amusement parks, but more and more it's the insurers - not lawyers, or engineers, or CEOs, or marketing departments, and especially not common sense - that are influencing many of the decisions parks make.
As with most things in life, just follow the money ...
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Brian Noble said:
. But, I *am* interested in hearing the list of reasons *why* people have been banned.
I'm with you on that. If for no other reason than to make it clear to everyone what is or is not acceptable behavior.
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I say wear your coaster shirts to parks and exhibit great behaviour both on rides and off. Let the parks know we appreciate and love them.
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Most of you are making this into something more complicated than it really is. Behold:
1) Certain parks have caught people, enthusiast or not, doing naughty things, and have served them with notices indicating their entry into the park constitutes criminal trespass. The law is on the park's side, and you're a moron twice if you do something unsafe, get banned, then return risking arrest. That's the enforcement
2) The violations are exactly what you'd expect, things like defeating safety measures, standing up or shooting photos and video on the ride.
3) I think we've been over that PR people from every park talk to PR people from every other park. In this particular instance I can name four different PR reps that have traded information, and each park will do what they wish regarding alleged violations. It's furthermore the perogative of any clubs to take whatever action they feel is necessary regarding their own membership and events.
4) The big picture is that if you're caught doing something stupid, parks and clubs will likely know about it and preclude you from their activities.
Regarding libel, the standard legal test requires that the libelous statements were published, the person was clearly identified, the person's reputation was harmed and finally the person making the allegations was at fault by showing disregard for the truth. While a club or Web site probably couldn't be held liable for the last part, a park perhaps could depending on the proof offered by the plaintiff.
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There you go.
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In order for this ban list to be effective and persuade people that aren't on the list but are considering doing something unsafe or illegal, it needs to be implemented at all parks. This way, those individuals will be more likely not to engage in this un-acceptable activity.
On a side note, GO CUBS!!!!!!!!! WORLD SERIES BABY!!!! :)
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As for not wearing coaster related clothes at parks, I won't stop anytime soon. I am proud to represent my hobby. I shouldn't have to hide that. Now, I don't always wear coaster gear at parks, but I don't see a reason to stop entirely.
Yes, parks do compare notes and I have a feeling that these lists could be making their rounds to other parks and chains. I think this is a great way to get rid of the "poison" that is out there.
-Sean
Something about, Any park doesn't want to lose a customer. Or something like that. Anyway, he's absolutely right.
Parks don't want to turn people away at the gate.
But parks don't want to lose people from their rides, either. And ultimately, more than anything else, that is what this boils down to. Given a choice between making a would-be patron unhappy outside the park, and having a preventable incident...of any kind...inside the park, the former is certainly the lesser of two evils.
As for the issue of publishing The List...
I think it's a private matter between the individuals in question and the business in question, and should stay that way. As long as I'm not on the list, I really don't even need to know it exists. Quite frankly, I would prefer NOT to know. It's certainly none of my business.
Let me see...I think there was something else in this thread I wanted to respond to, but it's late enough that now I can't remember what it was... :)
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
But Sean, I thought you told me Poison was your favorite band. ;-) Sorry, couldn't resist. lol.
Anyway, I agree with you and it goes back to the "attention" thing that I mentioned before that all troublemakers thrive on.
As far as anyone "bragging" about being banned from a club or park is pathetic, although I would not be surprised by such actions.
I rarely wear coaster shirts but that is only because my collection is very small. :-)
-Tina
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*** This post was edited by coasterqueenTRN 10/14/2003 11:31:22 PM ***
DaCoasterMan said:
...guess those 2004 season videos are gonna be real short.
As immature as it is - that line gave me a chuckle :)
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"Those who know don't talk and those who talk don't know." -Jeff
If you're gonna wear a t-shirt and turn yourself into a walking billboard, why wear something that preaches to the choir? If I'm at a concert, chances are the t-shirt I'm wearing is something OTHER than the band I'm watching. (Unless you really wanna look like the other 20,000 people there.) That's what you wear to the office the next day instead.
I might wear a Cedar Point shirt to PKI, or a Six Flags shirt at Kennywood, but more likely I'll wear it to work and wear something non-coaster-related to a park. Or I might just wear plaid if I don't want people to talk to me :) That's the real reason I don't wear park stuff at parks.
Which only proves that I have zero fashion sense...
(But not re-stickering the car with coaster club stuff is because of embarassment over fellow members' actions, yes.)
Before this gets further off topic (heh)... it's not like parks having a ban list with enthusiasts on it is anything new. It's easy enough to enforce, unless you pay for everything with cash and are good with disguises, and who's gonna go through the trouble and risk arrest?
And while I still think making the list public would be incredibly stupid, making the *reasons* public might be interesting. But it'd probably be mostly alcohol-related stuff -- probably a LOT of alcohol-related stuff -- or things like couples getting naked in photo booths (someone did that at PKI last year!), plus the usual line jumping, taking pictures, fighting, parents picking fights with ride ops enforcing height restrictions on their kids, scaring kids by running around without a shirt in a water park with more hair on your back than a yeti...
Just don't be a dumbass and it's all good, ya know? :)
But Sean, I thought you told me Poison was your favorite band. ;-) Sorry, couldn't resist. lol.
No.....I learned during the Con that Sheryl Crow is his favorite. Right Sean? :)
No.....I learned during the Con that Sheryl Crow is his favorite. Right Sean? :)
Hey, you have to admit. It was funny Greg! Oh, and sorry about sending him your way.
Tina,
How could you? I told you that in confidence? (geeze, I learn one Poison song on guitar, and the world thinks I am a member of the Brett Michaels Fan Club or something)
Getting back to the topic,
I have a hunch that more and more parks are taking a look at people who are causing trouble and instead of sending out letters, they are just going to deal with these folks on a personal level and keep it that way. I think that is great! That's the way it should be.
-Sean
bit0mike said:
Before this gets further off topic (heh)... it's not like parks having a ban list with enthusiasts on it is anything new. It's easy enough to enforce, unless you pay for everything with cash and are good with disguises, and who's gonna go through the trouble and risk arrest?
Sadly I think there are a few out there that WOULD risk it, just because they are that ignorant.
And while I still think making the list public would be incredibly stupid, making the *reasons* public might be interesting. But it'd probably be mostly alcohol-related stuff -- probably a LOT of alcohol-related stuff -- or things like couples getting naked in photo booths (someone did that at PKI last year!
Now we know why Mike isn't allowed back in PKI. ;-)
plus the usual line jumping, taking pictures, fighting, parents picking fights with ride ops enforcing height restrictions on their kids, scaring kids by running around without a shirt in a water park with more hair on your back than a yeti...
Mike, you just causing trouble all over the place! lol. But I agree. I have a feeling most of these "reasons" are pretty common and is nothing more than typical rider stupidity/disregard for safety.
-Tina
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*** This post was edited by coasterqueenTRN 10/15/2003 7:48:11 AM ***
Tina,
How could you? I told you that in confidence? (geeze, I learn one Poison song on guitar, and the world thinks I am a member of the Brett Michaels Fan Club or something)
That's OK. If it makes you feel any better I was *actually* in their fan club at one point!
I have a hunch that more and more parks are taking a look at people who are causing trouble and instead of sending out letters, they are just going to deal with these folks on a personal level and keep it that way. I think that is great! That's the way it should be.
And if they try to enter these parks where they are banned (and some will...trust me) then they should NOT only escort them off the property but arrest them, right in front of everyone.
Do you think a park would ban a specific enthusiast JUST because they are on the list? Even if they didn't cause any trouble to or at that park specifically?
-Tina
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Gimme speed, height, airtime and plenty of LAUNCH!!!
*** This post was edited by coasterqueenTRN 10/15/2003 8:00:22 AM ***
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