CW new coaster for 08.

Is that really an 85 degree drop it does not look like it to me judging from Sheikra's & Griffon's 90 degree drop that does not look all that vertical.

"Behemoth will be the biggest investment in Canada's Wonderland's 27 year history at approximately $26 million dollars," said Raffi Kaprelyan, Vice President and General Manager, Canada’s Wonderland. I guess I just took it for granted as US Dollars. I'm guessing it's the fifth most expensive coaster ever behind the 2 CP coasters, Kingda Ka, and Steel Dragon. *** Edited 8/27/2007 2:12:41 PM UTC by mwatts***

$26 million Canadian = 24.69 million American.

Wow, the price of steel coasters is going up like Orlando theme park tickets.

Looks like a neat ride, but I wil agree, I don't like the seating arrangement. I think that will mess them up in capacity. Hope they decide not to go with that in the end.

Gotta agree with Moosh. We railed on Vekoma pretty relentlessly for the seating configuration of the GIBs. That alone should reduce capacity of the ride by almost a third, due to delays in getting people seated...

That being said, once you get ON the ride and get dispatched, looks really fun! ;)

P.S. $26M sounds about right for the park thatplays second fiddle to NO other park in the chain... ;)

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DawgByte II said:

(BTW Coasterkid... it doesn't matter what trains B&M chose... it fits 32 either way. If they went traditional, they aren't going to make it 64 guests... it'd be the smaller/standard B&M-hyper trains. Either way, they still have 3-trains & the PPM is the highest Wonderland has ever seen by farrrrr).

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Nitro has nine cars. Had they gone with the usual B&M four-across seating they may have been able to go to with a ten-car or even an eleven-car train. CW could have used the extra capacity, it is the most visited seasonal park in North America. I also have to agree with Moosh, the staggered seating will confuse guests and probably slow things down.

The name sounds like it's an ELEPHANT or something.
And I hate the seating too. With my usual riding complement of FKA CBaby and Da Midget, someone will not only wind up 'alone' on the ride, but you can't turn and face them to chat on the lift hill as you would with a two-across train.

Nevertheless, they could name it The Italian Turd Raider and I'd still get in line.

-'Playa

The V-shaped seating surprises me alot. I really hope they can figure out a way to get people on the ride in a decent fashion with minimal confusion. I'm thinking since Behemoth will be a very long ride that they will have much more time to dispatch a train once the previous train clears the block.

I can see the goods and bads of the new trains. Hopefully the goods will far weigh-out the bads. I think the layout is awesome, looks like an airtime machine. On top of that a decent "people eater," which CW desperately needs.

~Rob Willi

From the looks of things, not only are the seats split, but they are tiered, as well. It looks like the back seats sit up higher than the front ones, so those folks will have even more of a "floorless" experience.

We know that the split seat design sucked on the Deja Vus, but this one might work better. Technically, this looks more split than the Vekoma ones, hence creating B&M's first 2-row steel coaster cars. So, if old Arrow corkscrew coasters could have 2 rows per car, then these can, as well. Remember, B&M usually does stuff better than Vekoma, so this could work better. With the Vekomas, you had to walk around the rows, etc., and it was confusing. For these, there looks to possibly be enough room for each row that there won't have to be any walking around seats--you can just walk directly into your row.

I absloutely love it.

CW finally gets a new, huge, brand-spankin new B & M Hyper coaster, and all people can do is pick it apart and find things to hate about it.

:)

Just be happy for CW!

Who cares is it "looks" like a Goliath? How many B & M coasters "look" like others from other parks/chains?

Now being from Ohio, I am a little miffed this went to CW and KI got ol' X-Flight.

That looks amazing!

The trains look interesting. I'm glad to see more 'innovation' in train design. I'm just hoping manufacturers start focusing more on comfort!

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The launch of this new coaster has been very exciting and we thank all those coaster enthusiasts that have supported our on-line tease campaign…and at times even hacked our website to find out what the big announcement was going to be.

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:)

Upon closer inspection, the seating arrangement may not be that bad.

These are my guesses:

-Each "car" has 2 separate rows
-Each row has it's own gate
-Each gate is clearly marked with a sign showing the seat arrangement

Granted most guests will prefer to sit together. But the split rows will be attractive for single riders, friends who don't mind being apart, and guests who want to ride sooner (since the split rows may tend to be less popular).

Advantages to this design (over Deja-Vu):
-Riders in the "split" row can still look across and see their friends screaming face
-Less potential for "surprises" as riders board the train (if rows are effectively marked)
= Negligible reduction of capacity

Are the benefits of this layout worth the fuss? Time will tell. But on paper, I think B&M have a clever idea.

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rablat5 said:
...For these, there looks to possibly be enough room for each row that there won't have to be any walking around seats--you can just walk directly into your row.

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Well, now that you mention it, that does look like the way it will work. If that is the case, then this seating arrangement may work out better than some of us originally thought. I still think it would have been wiser to go with more cars per train to increase capacity.

It should also be less confusing because it's not inverted. The far seat on Deja Vu is hard to see because of the overhead support for the train. If the station is laid out properly and marked well, it shouldn't be too hard to get people on in a timely manner.

I am just looking forward to trying a train that has the length of an Intamin, but put on a B&M hyper. That back seat should be sweet.

I'm curious if the rider pairs will be offset (one in the front and one to the matching rear) or will they be split up for the rear seats and only the two in the front seats actually get to sit together like on the Vu's.

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jive2 said:
How complicated of a layout could one expect from a hyper???

The formula works.

Hill, hill turn, hill, hill, hill, turn

You can mix them up all you want and it's still going to be a great ride.

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It seems almost all B and M hypers are out-n-back. This one seems very similar to the one not so far away in Quebec. One of the most interesting layouts on a hyper is Raging Bull, but for some reason the parks keep choosing a typical out-n-back. Raging Bull fits a lot of coaster in a little space, I personally would like to see some kind of variation on this design instead of more out-n-backs.

The seating is odd, i would think it hurts the capacity. Also, the outside seating means you aren't riding next to your buddy, but sort of alone-ish now.

They look like a regular B&M just with some seats ripped out! ;)