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Knott's Berry Farm DOES have a space problem. Even management there have admitted it. They are lucky they put in Ghostrider when they did otherwise if CF took over before the CCI contract was signed it probalbly wouldn't get built since CF is scared to death of building new woodies or they would fill up the property wityh steel rides and run out of room for Ghostrider!

Mamoosh said:
Next time can you make it Diet Spite?

Woah... there's no need to get Fresca

(that made no sense, but it's funny none the less)

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CPgenius said:
This might be a solution, but I don't know if it's very economical. If Cedar Point built footers out in the lake, they could encase hot water pipes or heater coils amongst the rebar in the concrete, and when the lake froze, they could fire them up, keeping the ice around the concrete footer columns melted. I'm not sure if this would combat any ice shifting; however, because I'm not sure how much it can shift at once.
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That would not work. The ice can reach several feet in thickness and is very destructive when it starts to move. The ice has reached thickness that allow snowmobilers to ride out onto the ice. Ice fisherman have even driven their pickups out onto the ice. It gets thick!

In the spring, it starts to break up into big sheets and the wind, blowing across the lake moves these sheets with great force. If you look at a beach area in the spring, you will see massive pieces pushed ashore.

Regular footers would be pushed around like nothing and the steel supports or the coaster would get twisted like pretzels.

If CP were ever to get permission to build out into the lake, they would have to build a breakwall around the area and have massive footings or piers. Like ten or 15 ft. in diameter just like the ones used to dock ships or barges. Just not cost effective.

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Pink Floyd Fanatic said:
...since CF is scared to death of building new woodies...

That's a myth. It has nothing to do with being scared, it has to do with adding to their maintenance budget, nothing more. I asked "The Man" himself.

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Meangene, forget it... you don;t get the subtle humor I was getting at.

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If CF was scared to build a woodie, I really don't think Monty Jasper would have even mentioned Intamin wood at the Coastermania Q&A session. I'm not saying thats what there going to get, I'm simply saying they must have thought about it at some point.
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What did he really say about it??? I want one soooooo badly!!!

bigkirby said:
Lake Erie is the most dangerous of the great lakes.

No, I believe that honor belongs to Lake Superior, after all it is Superior.

cyberdman said:
bigkirby said:
Lake Erie is the most dangerous of the great lakes.
No, I believe that honor belongs to Lake Superior, after all it is Superior.

The name "Superior" has nothing to do with the reputation of the lake. Lake Erie IS the most "dangerous" of the five Great Lakes because it's the shallowest. The fact that it's shallow actually makes it MORE of a hazard, especially with waves and storms

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You are right and wrong TiggerMan. Superior is the most dangerous of the lakes - there have been more shipwrecks there than in the other Great Lakes due to its size and depth, making it a veritable inland sea. Its volume of water is equivalent to 2,900 cubic MILES of water. It could fill the other Great Lakes and STILL have enough water to fill Lake Erie three more times.

But the name Superior does not relate to it's danger level, it was named Superior due to it's location. From www.great-lakes.net,

The first French explorers approaching the great inland sea by way of the Ottawa River and Lake Huron referred to their discovery as le lac superieur. Properly translated, the expression means "Upper Lake," that is, the lake above Lake Huron. Kitchi-gummi, a Chippewa Indian translation, signifies Great-water or Great-lake. A Jesuit name, Lac Tracy, was never officially adopted.

Also, on a site that details the wreck of the Edmund Fitgerald (the most famous of all the Great Lakes shipwrecks) waves were as high as 35 ft at 7pm on November 9, 1975 causing it to sink. The sinking of the Fitzgerald was later turned into a song by Gordon Lightfoot in 1976. You can see a line by line explanation of Lightfoot's song here.

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Building over a "navigable" waterway in interstate commerce is a legal nightmare. The ice can be delt with, but not at a reasonable price. CP has plenty of space on land that it can use.

Redman, I have to hand it to you. You're a regular Encyclopedia. That's good stuff, too. Living in Temperance and teaching Michigan History, kids constantly question the lake system. Thanks.

....now, that I feel I need 6 more years of college to become a better teacher.

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There's nothing like a woodie...

I'm sorry, I guess my sarcasm didn't come over in the text. I know Superior is just a name, however it is the largest of the great lakes, and itself can feel and act very much like an Ocean itself. It's where the Fitzgerald met its maker.

I didn't take low depths into account and yes those can become quite an unexpected danger as well.

Thanks for backing me up Redman. ;)
*** This post was edited by cyberdman 2/7/2003 4:18:07 PM ***