CP on the lake

"But that doesn't change my oppinion on how much this topic is of use to anyone."
I said it was useless, and I didn't think it was to use of anyone. How many people do you know or have heard about are planning on building rides over Lake Erie? Or any lake for that matter.

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Col Sanders:

You can't say "I also learned a thing or two." and follow that with "I said it was useless, and I didn't think it was to use of anyone."

A- If you learned something, so the thread *was* of use.

B - you don't speak for me, and I found it useful.

If you didn't want to discuss the topic, don't participate.

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The whole ride wouldn't have to be over water just a section like magnums pretzal would be real cool, or the first drop. I assume that althogh ver expensive they could just build a break-wall around the footers and drain the water in the winter.

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One Love

Actually Col Sanders, I've always wondered if CP really got that desperate for space, if they'd build over a lake. It ain't that useless. I mean, I've seen tons of rides built over lakes. And I've always wondered about CP since there's no extra land for them to buy if they really get that desperate for land in the far future.

Even though it is your opinion, this is the reason people are afraid of starting topics in these forums. For fear of being flamed!

If there were storms in the Sandusky area, there could be no lightning, and coasters could run fine. However, the same lightning-less storm could make the lake awfully choppy, and causing possible danger to the ride and its riders. Also, said choppy lake could cause the ride to shut down, while others remain open.

Second, recall that CP maintence inspects the track on a daily basis. If a major part of the ride was located in the lake, boats may be needed to inspect it.

It doesn't really sound practical when you consider Six Flags has been building rides in parking lots for years ;)

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MillenniumRider has a point. In 20-30 years when Cedar Point may begin to start running out of room, (I'm not saying they currently are- Cedar Point does not have a space problem.) they could go the SF route and build over their parking lot. Sure, they'd lose valuable parking spots- but they could just go the Universal route and build a garage or two. ;)

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The only difference between stupidity and genius is genius has limitations.

While it seems rather rediculous that the park would waste time and money to build any sort of attraction over the bay or the lake (both because of cost and legal issues); it does seem to make sense that land filling on the bay side would be a viable option. What better way to expand. The park is already dealing with the US Army Corps of Engineers on the infill of the lagoons, why not keep going?

While it is very clear that the park doesn't have a space problem (and i think my record on the topic proves that i believe that), more land would NEVER be a bad thing. Even if the land is on the wrond side of the perimiter road it still would have numerous benifits.

Let me ask this... is it just me, or do too many enthusiasts think the government has nothing better to do than regulate amuesment parks (FAA, Army Corps of Engineers in this thread, etc.)

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OK MagnumForce WHERE are the 7 areas lift within current park's boundries?? People have said that you can't tell by looking at the aerial view of the park but yet I've looked closely and it looks like almost every sizable vacant space has been taken. A giant woodie will NEVER fit into current CP's boundries WITHOUT removing anything. If anyone is so sure that CP does not have a space problem for a big wood structured woodie show me where!! About CP not having a space problem it may be true for steelies since a steelie is easier to build on top of anything. And if CP built a giant steel structured woodie it would be hard to market is as the world's largest woodie since the GP is too stupid to classified it as a woodie and mistake it as a steel coaster becuase of steel structure. Also the GP is so stupid that most of them think Gemini is a woodie! CP needs a quality giant dueling woodie badly filled with airtime and unless they build it in the parking lot it will be hopeless to see one unless they are willing to tear down that giant boring foreless overbraked pile of firewood located in Frontier Village and replace it with one!

Look at the footprint of Magnum and tell me there is no room. BTW I said remove not move. They coudl move all kinds of stuff aruond.

Places off my head.

Lot of area behind SRF

The Beach ala Wicked Twsiter and DT

A huge out and back could be placed virtually anywhere . A mammoth coaster like Shivering Timbers or Magnum takes up only a small sliver of land.

Millenium Island has tons of area even with Millie there.

The old employee dorms behind Wildcat which have been rumored to be removed for a long time is another spot.

Behind the games along the main midway.

Between Frontier Town and Mean Streak

There is 7 and I coudl think of more if i wanted to.

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Da Poodle

Coming in 2003-The Spawn Of Magnum!

CPLady is correct, Lake Superior is far more dangerous than Lake Erie is. If you dispute that then I would have to recommend a trip to Whitefish Point. They have a wonderful museum there.

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Vater said:
I guess they have to replace the piers in the marina every year then...

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Actually the don't have to anymore. They now have floating docks. Years ago when I worked in the maintenance dept. every fall the posts for the docks would come out and every spring put back in.

Also, I think the biggest obtsacle to building over water would be the Army Corp of Engineers OKing the job.

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tambo

I think Lake Erie has had more boat accidents than any other Great Lake. That may be where people got the idea that it is the most dangerous. However, I also believe Lake Erie is the busiest of the Great Lakes so I would guess that the averages make Erie no more or less dangerous than any of the other lakes.

I am glad Jeff mentioned the demise of the Boardwalk. That was a pretty significant occurrence. During the offseason, the park puts hay bales along the walkway down by Sandcastle because the stormy waves can send water all the way up to the pool.

The Marina doesn't have to worry about damage to the pier because it is surrounded by a breakwall.

Just for the heck of it:

http://www.cedarpoint.com/public/news/history/d.cfm

Wooden Coaster, Lake Side. Yes, it might not be considered a "coaster" by today's standards. But it was done once.

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General Public said:
Let me ask this... is it just me, or do too many enthusiasts think the government has nothing better to do than regulate amuesment parks (FAA, Army Corps of Engineers in this thread, etc.)

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Those agencies do not just regulate the coaster industry...they regulate any use of land (or air) that falls under their jurisdiction.

These groups regulate waterway use and airspace use because they are "National Resources" which their rulings have more authority than local municipalities and states laws.

You want to put a dock or a pier into a lake, you need to get clearance from the USACE so you do not adversely affect the natural environment of the lake...

You want to build a structure that exceeds certain heights, you need to get clearance from the FAA to make sure that said structure does no interfere with any possible flight paths that might exist.

It's just how things are regulated...that is why you don't see skyscrapers next to airports...it is also the reason a dock or pier cannot extend beyond a certain point in a channel or river...They are not just there to crack down on amusement parks.

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Mamoosh said:
Good point, Vator. Hey ismyhome...what about those piers?

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The piers in any marina are "protected" by the fact that most marinas have a breakwall surrounding the marina. So while the water in the marina may still freeze, it cannot do as much damage because the ice will not be part of any major ice floe.

Also, in some places on Lake Erie (my hometown's marina included), the marina piers and walkways are removable. In the late fall, the piers are dry-docked for the winter to prevent damage.

And Sandusky Bay is just as much a part of Lake Erie are Presque Isle Bay. It's all semantics.

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Pink Floyd Fanatic said:
A giant woodie will NEVER fit into current CP's boundries WITHOUT removing anything. If anyone is so sure that CP does not have a space problem for a big wood structured woodie show me where!!

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Here's my idea: CP can construct a new woodie similar to Shivering Timbers (they would build it larger of course!) between the east side of the main parking lot and the beach on Lake Erie. The station can sit near the south end of Disaster Transport, and the lift can be built steeper to conserve space.

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YOUNGSTOWN 2010

One item that can be concluded about the mysterious 7 areas(see: Magnum Force) a coaster can be built, is that you will almost have to move a flat ride or attraction to another park position in order to accomodate for the new attraction. Some people have a serious problem with this, stating that CP indeed has a space problem, yada, yada, yada, "if they didn't have a space problem then why did they have to (re)move Trioka & Chaos, to make room for TTD?" To stay 'up' with the times and to create a better park improving revenue, good management becomes creative, moving certain rides (yes, maybe even out of the park), to remain up to date in the amusement industry. If a park keeps older flat rides in their collection, the "carny" atmosphere is certain (thought I smelled cabbage!). Looking at CP's collection of flats, construction could move any of them to new and better homes in the park, but allowing that "updated" atmostphere to remain intact.

Space is not the issue, but we do love trying to guess what is coming next and where it is going. Although, this year, the location was not the surprise.

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There's nothing like a woodie...

While Cedar Point does not have a "space problem" per se, they will definitely have to get creative in the future with new rides. Possibly doing something that they have yet to do with rides....Intertwine them!

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No Kidding! I have waited for someone to say just that... One of the greatest moments in RC history passes thru the Thunderbolt at Kennywood. What a rush! A simple wish is for CP to begin the same movement.
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There's nothing like a woodie...