Continued: Cedar Fair announces Geauga Lake will be water park only

Ditto that. Although I haven't ridden El Toro, which is supposed to be butter smooth.

It is extreemly smooth as well, but that's not an effortless ride and there is one or 2 spots that have just a tinge of roughness. But still like butter compared to nearly every other coaster.

I Stopped by the park yesterday.

http://rollercoasterfreak.com/Geauga_Lake/2007-10-13_Deconstruction/index.htm

Rob and Jason, as seen in my other thead about KD, they don't yet have a name that they like for it--whatever it is they are moving South--(I think we can assume it is the coaster formerly known as Dominator)--so they're holding off until November for any announcements.

I can tell you that no land-prep or construction markings could be seen in the huge area that could serve as its new home.

raser...LOL, I was referring to Meteor at L-A-M-A. Sure it's a "family" ride, but the ride itself, and the sound it makes, is indicative of uber-smoothness. The only other wooden coasters I've ridden that I think of as THAT smooth are Stricker's Teddy Bear and Toro.

The GCII smoothness is *right* up there as well....'cept for Roar West. ;)

Has there been any news on the fate of Big Dipper?

No.

No news right now. Cedar Fair is proving themselves to be a company of integrity and is ignoring the media, customers with an ax to grind, enthusiast groups... pretty much everyone.

At least they're consistent. :)

-Tambo

Saying that they're "ignoring" anyone is not fair, and suggests ill will. Perhaps it's more like they haven't decided.

Not that I'm interested in picking fights at all, but one of my biggest complaints in working with *the State* is that the bureaucracy seems resistant to coming out with "we're still deciding how this or that will work out in the end."

I know it makes you look "unempowered" or indecisive, but let's face it, admitting you have a problem is half the battle. LOL!

You'd be surprised how many times I return e-mails that say "awaiting decision from Tallahassee." At least they know I've gotten their questions and am interested in resolving their problem...(but it DOES relay my utter powerlessness against The Machine). ;)

Private enterprise can't be THIS bad....can it? :)

The phone rings and the calls are ignored, or messages are not returned- that's ignoring people, regardless of the reasons.

I've been on the side with several of our projects where we've had to say "we don't know" or "it hasn't been decided yet." People opposed to what we were doing took that to mean "you know but you're not telling," "you're doing something underhanded" or simply "I think you're evil, immoral and a liar."

In those cases, you know if you spell everything out or say nothing, the reaction will be the same. So sometimes it's best to say nothing.

The problem is, we've become a nation of skeptics. Coaches say they aren't leaving a team and then they do. Politicians say no new taxes and then there are. Presidents say, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" and they did. Companies say trust us with your retirement and then they screw us.

So, when any company or politician or President or coach really is well intentioned most of us are not going to believe them or we will at least be very suspicious of their motives.

I think Cedar Fair probably does deserve some of the skepticism right now. Externally they have made some bad moves that have left the public with a bad taste in their mouths and we are hearing bits and pieces of internal stuff that is dubious as well.

If they are even concerned about their reputation then it is going to take some work to earn some of that trust back. Perhaps they aren't concerned.

My issue is it being a respect thing.

Cedar Fair is quick to call the media when they need a reporter and a camera crew to hype a new ride or attraction, or ACE to supply a few enthusiasts to proclaim "x" as the best thrill on the planet. Now those people are trying to get in touch with Cedar Fair and the company is pulling the shades and acting like no one's home (which we know is not the case).

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Cedar Creek Mine Ride said:
I don't know if anyone else already posted this (can't make myself check through 14 pages), but think about all the name changes this park has now had.

1999: 2 parks: Geauga Lake and Sea World of Ohio

2000: 2 parks: Six Flags Ohio and Sea World of Ohio

2001: Six Flags Worlds of Adventure

2004: Geauga Lake

2005: Geauga Lake and Wildwater Kingdom

2007: Geauga Lake's Wildwater Kingdom

I know some of these are rather minor changes, but still that's a lot changes in 9 years.

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2008: Geauga Lakes former ride side turns into a big whole.

2009: Another Golf Community or Mall.

2010: Wildwater Kingdoms closes.

But Rob, to be fair, isn't that the way MOST companies, agencies, entities, celebrities deal with the press? I mean, that is the M.O. for just about everyone.

I never dodge the press (local/regional newspapers) because I know I need them as much as they need me. So, I don't mind dealing with controversial things because I know they are going to help me somewhere down the line. Now, the exception I will make is when a writer takes advantage of me but purposefully misquoting me or taking my comments out of context in order to sensationalize his/her story. Then that person won't be getting much cooperation from me.

And, to be really honest, there are plenty of times when the press might accuse me of "pulling the shades" simply because I might not yet be in a position to answer their questions. When we are looking at budget measures or policy decisions there are often times many individuals or departments involved. It is fair to say sometimes I don't know what the eventual answer will be but it isn't fair to accuse me of pulling the shades simply because I don't know.

It is a fine line, I agree, but I guess I am more of an optimist than a pessimist.

I think some of you are really overstating how much people care. I mean, if they did, they would've been going to Geauga Lake in the first place, right? Assuming for a moment they're annoying anyone, they sure aren't hurting for customers at Cedar Point.

Not to mention nobody obviously was spreading the "good word" about GL.

^^^ I understand there are many reasons for dodging the press and others with questions, I just find it bothersome when a company is more than happy to embrace anyone that will give them positive press and then backs away when there's the potential for something negative. I realize this isn't just Cedar Fair, it's a lot of companies... it just so happens that we're talking about Cedar Fair and that is exactly what they're doing.

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Jeff said:
I think some of you are really overstating how much people care. I mean, if they did, they would've been going to Geauga Lake in the first place, right? .

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It's been there for over a hundred years, I suggest you stop talking from your "dividend check area", and let people have their concerns.

Cedar (un)Fair closing Geauga's ride side without even a weekend set aside for saying goodbye is COMPLETELY un-fair, un-caring, and a very cold statement about what it thinks of the area.

I hope the community responds in kind when the waterpark opens next year, but heck, they probably don't want to run that either 'cause it's cutting into soak city profits............