Cedar Point already disputing Magic Mountain claim of most coasters

I'll be the first to hand Cedar Point a tissue to help with their crying.

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2000 stats: 135 coasters in 26 parks
Not Too Shabby For A Summer

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Listen people, the only reason certain CP fanatics are disputing this is because CP doesnt have a non-full circuit coaster. As soon as they get one, and I see it happening in the near future, you will be talking a different story. Just deal with it and accept it. There is no written law that says a non-full circuit ride cant be coaster. Get over your supposed idealism and realize that coasters come in all forms.

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"DONT FIGHT IT, RIDE IT",,,,RAGING BULL *** This post was edited by Chitown on 12/23/2000. ***

Okay, I just have to state my two cents here. I am usually not one to post, I am a more of a read the posts guy:). Anyway, I remember reading awhile ago a post that I believe was written by Jeff. (Please correct me if I am wrong) Nonetheless, whoever it was stated that on the opening of Millennium Force, Intamin announced MF as the tallest, faster roller coaster on the planet. Obviously, this says that Intamin does not consider S:TE a roller coaster since they called MF the tallest and fastest roller coaster when, if considered a coaster, S:TE is taller and faster. Although I agree with those that stated that the parks, who spend millions of dollars on these scream machines, have every right to call them what they please, but they should follow what the designers call it.
Now, I have not seen the 2001 Guinness Book of Records, so I may be incorrect. But from my understanding, it considers S:TE the tallest thrill ride and MF the tallest rollercoaster?? If so, then Guinness doesn't consider S:TE a coaster.
Summing it up:
Cedar Point does not consider it a roller coaster
Guinness does not consider it a roller coaster
Intamin does not consider it a roller coaster
SFMM does consider it a roller coaster

4 out of 5 wins :)

Anyway, all I know is that next summer when I am working at the Point, I will not be worrying if they hold the record, but how great the place is!! :) CP rules!

And we'll be riding possibly the best prototype ever built IMO, so we should all be happy! BTW, you guys keep missing one important fact(probably just ignoring it). Superman is not, nor has it ever been a rollercoaster. It is a *Shuttle coaster*. Let's all say it together "Shuttle coaster". Keep saying it, you'll get the hang of it. "Shuttle coaster", that's right, say it in your sleep. It is not in the same category as MF and Goliath, get it? There is more than one type of coaster, get it? Just keep repeating this until it seeps into your narrow ways of thinking. Invertigos, Boomerangs, Launch coasters are all coasters. Getting it? Let me know when you need a refresher course OK? :)


*** This post was edited by Middleman on 12/23/2000. *** *** This post was edited by Middleman on 12/23/2000. ***

Yes, the president of Intamin announced Millennium Force as the tallest roller coaster, only a few weeks after Magic Mountain announced that Goliath was tallest. So at the time, neither park, or Intamin, claimed it was a roller coaster.

So what it comes down to is a matter of definitions. My personal feeling is that Superman is a coaster. There shouldn't be anything to debate if you're even the most recreational enthusiast. I've been running the most popular Cedar Point site on the planet for three seasons now, and if I can say that, I think we all can.

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Jeff
Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com

A good book for some of you to read is David Bennett's excellent "Roller Coaster". You know, the one with Mantis on the cover. This one gives examples of just how many types of *coasters* there are. And no, not all of them are full circuit.

Look CP, just quit your whining and build another coaster for crying out loud. Are you mad because you don't have the world's tallest and fastest shuttle coaster, not to mention the world's tallest and fastest thrillride ever produced? Just keep mouths shut for now and build something for 2002.

Cedar Point: "The park with the most operating roller coasters" in 2001!! :)

I'd just like to throw a little bone in here regarding the finite nature of things. Excuse my lateness in response as I've been away at college for a while; but way back, back, back, back in this thread, someone remarked about the nature of room for expansion within certain parks. For example the contributor E-Stop can be more or less quoted as saying: PKI has hundreds of acres while Cedar Point has little to develop over the next few years.

STOP--perspective check: Amusement Parks may seem like open-ended systems, but they are not. They cannot expand limitlessly forever. For every ride that is built, for every foot of concrete that is laid, and for every plant that is watered(if the amusement park has plants), it costs money in one way or the other. Instead, successful parks must wisely use their resources.

To say that Cedar Point did not put in a roller coaster this year because they ran out of space is illogical. To say that SFMM is adding three new coasters this year solely in spite of Cedar Point's long standing record is also illogical.

Instead, we should think about these moves in different ways. Each corporation has a business model that they have supposedly derived from years of experience in the industry and the respective region that their park is located in. Business models can also be benefitted by simple equations that show things such as supply and demand and return on investment curves. Finally, there is always a specualtive nature behind cause and effect relationships, so some predictions about what will benefit the corporation most greatly also have to be made.

Now, put all this information together, and we have the decisions that each staff has made based on the input information. Hence we get: Cedar Point's cyclical business model which happens to be in a year of resort expansion, and SFMM's model which seemingly predicts a large investment in additional rides is what is called for to keep hte revenues up and the investors happy. Afterall, amusement parks are still JUST businesses

So then, who made the better business move?

Are any of us realy qualified to make that judgment? In my opinion, the final judgment is made only when the majority of the people have spoken, and long term company results are in.

HINT: we are not the majority.

Now off to bed where visions of sugar plum fairies will hopefully dance in my head...

Regards,
Dave Kochman

cheap shot from cp, give it up

Hey, I'm from the SFGam side of things. Both of these parks need good woodie's.
Didn't SFMM basically do the same thing last year also?

Cedar Point has the demon drop.The superman's at SFMM are just like the demon drop a INTAMIN freefall COASTER!!!!So the demon drop is a coaster!!!!!but it doesn't count as a coaster at Cedar point.but SFMM counts it as a coaster!!!!!so Cedar pint has already 15 coaster!!!!!!!!!

SFMM has Freefall...right?

SFMM was voted by you the Thrill Seeker in the Discovery/Travel Channel internet poll as the park with the best Thrill Rides...53%

Okay Okay... I have the solution. Let's go back to the civil war days, only this time we divide the country east and west of the Mississippi. This way SFMM has the most west and CP the most east of the Mississippi. Additionally, we exclude Gore from running for President of either park or we'll never get anything accomplished. We can count the coasters until we're blue in the face and have a different viewpoint based on our own opinion of what a coaster is. SFMM laid claim based on the rules in affect before the announcement was made, and it wasn't argued over until after the fact. Someone of the official variety (like ACE) needs to set a standard, without a standard, how can you have an accurate count? If there is to be a standard, it should be in place before companies begin announcing plans for the next season. When that occurs, if the standard has changed and been defined, then CP and SFMM can fight it out in court if they so choose, however, I believe that with an official standard we would not be where we are right now, arguing over who has the most coasters. Kind of like Florida if you ask me!

And another thing... The free press about having a record in your park is BS. Out here in CA I never saw one add about Cedar POint. I knew of Raptor, but knew little history of CP until CF bought Knott's. It was only by going to the Knott's website did I find out anything about Cedar Point. It was then and only then that I had a desire to go there. We had a blast, better than anytime in 30 years that I have had at SFMM, save the time in high school when a few cheerleaders flashed us their boobs. The point is, many people in this country, save us, have no clue what the difference is. Now we can all act like adults with a sick and twisted way of having fun, like we are, or act like a bunch of children and duke it out over a damn rollercoaster. What would be foolish is for CP to add two new coasters next year to get the title back. I think they just need to focus on the experience and enjoyment people get from CP and spend some cash at Knott's, lest SFMM become the new Disney drain off.

And to answer a few questions... The profit margin of a hotel room is greater than that of a roller coaster, so CP comes out ahead on that one. And yes, SFMM put in a woodie a few years back. I think it's called... "Call the chiropractor" or something like that. The old woodies are still great, but I'm not sure where both parks went wrong in recent years. Perhaps it was because they were built after no one had built a woodie in more than a decade. The best out there is hands down "Ghost Rider", followed by a little known coaster in Wisconsin Dells calles "Zeus". If you can get there you're in for a shock. There are two of them in the Dells that really rock. Not what you woudl expect in a small town.

Come on people!! Have you all no lives? Its almost Christmas and there have already been more posts on this page then any other news topic I've seen. I agree with Jeff, you guys need to get out a bit. Go see The Family Man or something, I just made a snowman outside. Sadly this Colorado weather of mine is now melting it as I speak. And also being in Colorado I really don't care what happens between CP or SFMM. The more coasters the better right? Oh well, I need to repack that snowman....
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Oh good. Do any of you guys know how to get a chick out of the VCR?

(Lynch is tired of trying to be the Great Mediator in this battle, so he'll throw in some political humour.)

Now that this is official, we must put our partisan feelings of Magic Mountain and CP, West and East, left and right (on the map, of course), and unite behind our new leader. It's time to bring this country back together after its split for the past five weeks. Well, it's actually only been about two weeks, but it does feel like five now, doesn't it? So, instead of trying to claim which park has the most coasters...

Let's all rejoice that these great United States contain more roller coasters than any other country in the world! God bless America!

(Note: Am I the only one who noticed that Ohio went for Bush and California went for Gore? Maybe this is bigger than I thought...)

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How dare you vanquish the Steel Phantom without his consent? Fear the Phantom's Revenge.

i think cedar points just scared, superman IS a coaster. I mean come on, it runs on a track, has a coaster car,and isn't shot DIRECTLY up in the air like a freefall. Thats like saying greezed lighnin or montezumas revenge isnt a coaster, give me a break!

oh yeah and for all you people who are saying that intamin said that MF was the tallest fastest coaster, they meant continuous circuit rollercoaster