Cedar Point '07 Project

No, simply because Intamin as far as we know doesn't do flyers.

Will they get one in 2007? Obviously not. But, that doesn't mean they won't get one somewhere down the line. However, the way I see it, the longer they wait, the less chance they have of actually getting one. Look at this:

- 2007's "Intamin Accelerator" [just guessing for this purpose] came 5 years after the original: Xcelerator in 2002
- 2003's Top Thrill Dragster came 0 years after the original Strata Coaster
- 2002's Wicked Twister came 2 years after the original: Steel Venom (SUE) in 2000
- 2000's Millennium Force came 0 years after the original Giga Coaster
- 1996's Mantis came 6 years after the original: Iron Wolf in 1990
- 1994's Raptor came 2 years after the original: Batman: The Ride in 1992
- 1991's Mean Streak is hard to classify
- 1989's Magnum XL-200 came 0 years after the original Hyper Coaster
- 1987's Iron Dragon came 6 years after the original Bat in 1981

So as it seems, Cedar Point doesn't like to be very far behind the cutting edge of rides, and since the B&M Flyer debuted in 2002, in 2009 (the next plausible year to get a new coaster), the design will be 7 years old, or the oldest in Cedar Point's semi-recent history.

Does this mean anything? Probably not, but you be the judge. Oh, and PS, Tatsu is amazing.

Why is 2009 the next plausible year to get a Coaster...they got Wicked Twister in 2002 and Dragster in 2003.

Dragster is an Accelerator.

Millenium Force, while tall, is still a basic out and back twister with a (cable) lift.

Mean Streak is easy to classify, a wooden coaster.

What you stated honestly means nothing at all. In fact you basically proved that they aren't always on top of leading technology.

I think you read too much into Cedar Point's TV commercials lol.

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OhioStater said:

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It just doesn't seem like this one has everyone talking.

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Thats b/c this coaster (among popular belief anyway) isnt going to be any kind of jaw-dropping pee-your-pants type thrill along the lines off MXL2000, MF, or TTD.

This on has more of a WT-construction type feel to it.

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Man I was all over the WT construction lol.

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SFoGswim said:

- 1996's Mantis came 6 years after the original: Iron Wolf in 1990

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Ok, I assume you are referring to the original B & M stand up. The first actually stand up was by TOGO back in 1982 I believe, somewhere in Japan. They built a bunch more in the U.S. (PKI and PKD for example)in the mid 80's as well.

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LdScotsman said:
Ok, I assume you are referring to the original B & M stand up.

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That's correct. You have to classify it pretty tightly, otherwise you could just say that Top Thrill Dragster is a sit-down coaster, which goes WAY back.

Here's how I would do it:

- 2007's "Intamin Accelerator" [just guessing for this purpose] came 5 years after the original: Xcelerator in 2002

Ok.

- 2003's Top Thrill Dragster came 0 years after the original Strata Coaster

Kinda sorta but the technology is just on a larger scale that Knott's Xcell. I'd actually say TTD came about 1 year after the original.

- 2002's Wicked Twister came 2 years after the original: Steel Venom (SUE) in 2000

Ok.

- 2000's Millennium Force came 0 years after the original Giga Coaster

Unless we're putting more emphasis on the cable lift hill system than I think we should, this is again just more of the same, just on a larger scale.

- 1996's Mantis came 6 years after the original: Iron Wolf in 1990

Like said before, only if we're counting B&M's. :)

- 1994's Raptor came 2 years after the original: Batman: The Ride in 1992

Yup.

- 1991's Mean Streak is hard to classify

Hard to classify only because it doesn't fit into your theory.

- 1989's Magnum XL-200 came 0 years after the original Hyper Coaster

Depending on what we mean by hyper coaster Magnum came one year after Bandit, and 6 years after Moonsault Scramble. Like I said, depending on what we mean.

- 1987's Iron Dragon came 6 years after the original Bat in 1981

Yah.

So anyway - after all of that, I still kinda agree with you, haha. I still think it's possible for CP to build a flyer someday but the farther and farther we get from 2002, the less likely it will be, *at least* in the current form we see flyers today. I get the feeling that with some of these Intamin prototypes we are seeing these days, CP could very well go with a flying-type coaster which could still be vastly different from what we see out there today.

Worlds Of Fun's Screamroller was a sit down coaster. But the 1983 season they put Custom Stand Up Trains on it and called Extremeroller thus making it the first Stand-up Coaster. So Mantis came 10 years after the original.

You're trying to find a pattern where none exists, expecially once you add Mean Streak into the equation.

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Kyle Fobe said:

Millenium Force, while tall, is still a basic out and back twister with a (cable) lift.

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What does that even mean? Aren't out and back and twister mutually exclusive (for a given ride section, obviously SFNE's S:RoS has an out and back section and a twister section)?

And anyway, how many cross overs does MF have? 2? I would hardly use the word "twister" to describe its layout.

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TonyBlackjack said:
Worlds Of Fun's Screamroller was a sit down coaster. But the 1983 season they put Custom Stand Up Trains on it and called Extremeroller thus making it the first Stand-up Coaster. So Mantis came 10 years after the original.

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Two things, One, this: http://www.rcdb.com/id1219.htm

This ride was built in 1982 and has a sit down train and a stand up train. I am not sure if the stand up train was added later though. Extremeroller was definitley the first North American stand-up though.

Two, Mantis was built in 1996 so that would be 13 years. ;)

Tom (sorry for the nitpicking, I'm bored at work)

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matt. said:
- 1991's Mean Streak is hard to classify

Hard to classify only because it doesn't fit into your theory.

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Not only that, but that's just how wood coaster are. The way I see it, there are 2 types: wooden coasters without loops and wooden coaster(s) with loops [at least for now]. If you just say it's a wooden coaster without loops, then it's like 64 years behind the times. For that reason, I would not rule out a wooden coaster in CP's future.

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LdScotsman said:

Extremeroller was definitley the first North American stand-up though.

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Yes, but can anyone name the SECOND?

and no it wasn't King Kobra, which was actually the third even though PKI claimed it as being the first.

Was it in St Louis? ;)

Maybe :)

But what was the name of the ride?

Also is it still there or has it moved on (twice)?

:)

LOL...like you really need me to say? ;)

Regarding the SFStl ride....

Railblazer.

No it's not there... kinda. It's converted back to a mine train ride, but the south track (the mine ride was once a two track ride) has been moved to Dollywood then to another park... I think.

I knew about the Rail Blazer. That one made headlines when a woman was chucked out of it. Anyone have a picture of it when it was in both stand up form, and when the two mine trains were side by side? I have never seen a picture of either.

I think PKI advertised King Cobra as the first stand up LOOPING roller coaster in North America, but that was in 1984 and I don't really remember the ad campaign.

Tom

Hey Tom No prob I like people pointing that stuff out. I don't learn if someone dose not point it out right.

The 13 years thing HaHa I dunno why I said 10 HaHa WoW.

I sit and read this site all day at work too I know how it is. Take Care

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Swoosh said:

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LdScotsman said:

Extremeroller was definitley the first North American stand-up though.

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Yes, but can anyone name the SECOND?

and no it wasn't King Kobra, which was actually the third even though PKI claimed it as being the first.

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PKI said it was the first stand up in N.A. that had a loop.