Cedar Point '07 Project

Cedar Point is smart to do this during the summer... Once Winter hits, not only does it become difficult, but it becomes more expensive in labor costs because the time it takes them to do things now could double then.

As for the ride - I could care less what it does really... Fast, slow, loopy, airtime-y, whatever, as long as it is fun.

The colors on the other hand is the worst selection ever. DITCH THAT color red already.

Gah.

In 2007 Cedar Point will have 17 coasters, of which how many will have red track? Three? Four? WHO CARES?!?!?!?

Oh...and some of those supports that hold TWO pieces of track certainly make me say "Hmmmmm."

Seriously, Mr. Moosh. I think the issue is they aren't really inventing new colors. Well...they're inventing new color *names* but that's a whole other story.

After you build 17 coasters the colors are going to repeat.

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Oh...and some of those supports that hold TWO pieces of track certainly make me say "Hmmmmm."

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You and me both.

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DantheCoasterman said:
^LOL! We're not talking about a boomerang here, mudinthevayne. *** Edited 7/31/2006 7:59:33 PM UTC by DantheCoasterman***

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I know that. I don't think you and demopoulater understood what I meant. I meant the inverting coaster in general, not just an Intamin looper. Oh, and Cedar Point has a long while to go before they run out of nice looking colors for their coasters, but that will never happen as long as red is an option lol. *** Edited 8/2/2006 12:32:39 AM UTC by mudinthevayne***

Firstly greetings from the UK, this is my first post to the forum.

From the pics and construction I think this is going to be something along the lines of a Rita hybrid. The track is the same in shape (triangular, not boxed, so slower) and these double supports are similar to Rita's where track crosses over each other. http://www.rcdb.com/ig2787.htm?picture=14

It think the key to this one is being low to the ground / water and it will probably be extensively themed (hence early start). I'll even stick my neck out and speculate that it could be a dueling Rocket, reason I think this is because there seems to be too many supports for 1 ride?

On the point of Colossus I hope, for CP's sake, you don't get a mega inverter. Colossus rides like a bag of spanners, worse than a Vekoma SLC!

Rich out

You all could be on to something with the dueling coaster idea. I mean, IMO I don't think that's what it will be but it's always a possibility.

If this were to be a ride like rita why would they start so early? Either it's a prototype or there is alot more to this project that we don't know about yet. *** Edited 8/2/2006 3:47:49 PM UTC by JOberts15***

I said that awhile ago everyone ignored my post HaHa oh well we will see.

Been doing some more digging and looking at the new pics from yesterday at Point Pixel. It is seriously all sideways mounted track? Again very Rita in style with lots of whipped corners and switched crossovers. I think the track is too low to the ground for a 4D in some places so that would rule out a new 4d but a drift car might work with this design? Both tie in with the teaser sign “Ya’ll up for some serious sidewindin’?”

Screamscape mentions an OnPoint blog where they said something about putting “two and two together”, again could be a ref to 2 coasters?

Rich Out

If it's anything like Port Aventura's coaster I hope it has a WAY more exciting layout.

It won't be like PA's coaster. The supports in certain areas of this coaster suggest that the track will be far too close to the ground to allow for WingWalker trains.

This coaster will not be an Intamin Accelerator, either.

I'm actually shocked at how many of you guys actually believe this thing will be an inversion-based coaster. Does the layout not clearly suggest otherwise? This ride won't even have a lift hill - the launch supports are clearly visible in even the most general of site pics (After all, who builds lift supports on a slight incline that doesn't reach a total height of more than 20-30 ft.? Not anyone I know of, unless you're looking at a kiddy coaster), and I can't recall the last time I saw a megalooper with so many helix supports. I'd be very surprised if this ride had 1 inversion, let alone a record breaking amount. People need to realize that just because it's Cedar Point doesn't mean it has to break a record.

Now, if I may offer up some theories based on numerous things I've read, heard, and seen.

I strongly believe we are watching construction of an AquaTrax.

-I have spoken to one person who I know has been on Atlantis Adventure, and he has confirmed with me that the "flat-top" Intamin track is the same as used on AA's LIM launch.

-The tight transitions we see on many turn supports also suggest the single-car-per-train operation of the AquaTrax.

-This ride has been rumored to have been Intamin LIM launched for a long time, and the track we have here clearly appears to be LIM mounts - LSM mounts are wider and larger. To date, the ONLY above-track LIM coaster Intamin has ever made has been Atlantis Adventure.

-The footers suggest a layout filled with helixes, twists, turns, and moderate-to-small sized hills. Perfect for an AquaTrax.

-AquaTrax cars have saddle-style seating - just think about it. A coaster named Maverick (which is often defined as a wild horse) - with Horse-themed cars, where the rider sits on a saddle throughout the ride? Makes sense, no?

-The fact this ride hasn't been clearly identified yet is a factor as well. Usually by now, people would have figured out what is going on - but why not? Simple. The only existing AquaTrax is obscure and has little photo evidence availible. It's hard to compare rides when there's no pictures of a ride to compare to.

-Cedar Point doesn't build prototypes. They simply build bigger and faster versions of what has already been done in the industry. Thus, the Intamin 4D, the whole backwards-launch crap, all that jazz, just toss it out the window. Cedar Point won't be doing that.

-LIM launches are fairly reliable, and Atlantis Adventure has enjoyed considerable success during its operation as a family attraction. Let's see - considering the significant downtime of their last two major coasters (WT's wasn't LIM based as much as structural downtime), both of which aren't exactly the most inviting rides for the whole family, wouldn't it make sense that CP would aim for something that would actually WORK RELIABLY in its opening season, and allow Mom, Dad, Billy, and Jr. to ride at the same time?

-Height and speed. This ride won't have much of either one. The supports are far too small for height, and the layout clearly suggests low-level turns and twists. Speed? Nope. The turns are far too tight - anything above 50-60 mph would be absolutely painful. Don't expect this ride to top out at more than 40-55 mph. Interesting - an LIM coaster in that range. Sounds like an AquaTrax, no?

-According to a recent ACE publication, Kinzel reportedly considers inversions to be gimmicky, and only puts them on coasters if they can enhance the total experience in some way (ever notice how Mantis and Raptor have many more "twist and turn sections" than most other coasters their type?). He would never allow inversions to become the basis of the ride.

The only thing I'm completely baffled on is the apparent double-station - notice how in pics of the supposed station area (denoted by alot of concrete footers and foundations), there are two clear rows of "station supports". I originally thought it was a double-loading station, single circuit, but this doesn't appear to be the case - there is clearly a launch section of sorts coming out of each station area, whereas if it was double-loading, the launch section would be between the two stations.

Just some food for thought. *** Edited 8/2/2006 6:27:38 PM UTC by UC***

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UC said:
Does the layout not clearly suggest otherwise?

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Since we clearly all can see tell the layout of it from the scattered footers and couple supports. ;)

You can clearly tell it's full of helixes and turns, considering the number of banked supports arranged in a circular fashion.

I don't remember seeing any footers like those on any mega-loopers.

But who's to say that they couldn't have designed a mega looper with lots of turns? I don't think that by seeing that there could be helixes and turns that it definitively makes it a Aquatrax. Until we see trains or CP makes the announcement, all we know is it's a red, Intamin coaster.

I'm not saying you're full of crap, I'm just playing devil's advocate. :)

I'm not pointing to anyone in particular, but in general, if you honestly look at that layout (supports, footers, track pieces) and think it's a megalooper, you really have some issues.

Kinzel doesn't like megaloopers - he's SAID he doesn't like megaloopers.

This is going to be a family attraction - thrilling, but family. I appreciate the debate sparked by the Devil's advocate thing, but seriously, I think there's plenty of evidence to suggest a fair idea of what we're getting here.

The only problem is, some people have "OMG CP MAKES HUGE AND RECORD BREAKING THINGS" so engrained in their minds that they absolutely deny anything other than that as "well, you don't know for sure so be quiet!"

Examine the evidence with an open and un-biased mind. I think you'll find it all fits together quite nicely, especially with the AquaTrax idea. *** Edited 8/2/2006 6:53:28 PM UTC by UC***

Oh come on! It is definitely just a bigger version of Spinning Dragons/Timberland Twister. I mean it has helices so that MUST be what it is. ;) *** Edited 8/2/2006 6:53:17 PM UTC by Swoosh***

I guess it could be a dueling aquatrax coaster or something. It just seems that with al lthe signs they put out about side winding that it would have something to do with inversions. What would be really nice to see, and with great capacity, would be a dueling inversion coaster of some type. With inversions that go over eachother and things kind of like dueling dragons.

And Intamin just bought Gerstlauer so it all makes sense now! ;)

UC, I honestly don't think it's something record breaking, and I don't believe it's a mega-looper, but to each his own.

Those signs, people are reading too much into those.

When CP puts out signs, they are either obvious, or mean nothing. They were obvious with MF, obvious with TTD, and not obvious with this - the signs say what they say because it's a WESTERN themed area. "Sidewindin'" was a common term for fancy horsework back then (quick direction changes, for example) - which means nothing more than quick twists and turns.

Sidewindin' makes more sense as quick turns than it does inversions.

Bobthecoasterguy - I don't believe it is either, haha, I'm just giving an example of why the AT theory (which in my opinion makes the most sense) is so often overlooked. *** Edited 8/2/2006 7:00:24 PM UTC by UC***