Canadas Wonderland 2008 B&M Rumor!!!

Dominator going there makes as much sense as anything else.

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-Mark

Kennywooddude said:
Actually, it seems like Morgan has a better safty record.

While Intamin has had more accidents, they are usually due to guests and ride ops not following guidelines for the restraints. Morgan has had two derailments which I consider far more serious even though there have been no fatalities. Coasters breaking midcourse and then opening again without a good explanation as to what happened and why frustraits me. To me, the difference in results between Wild Thing's derailment and Funjin Raigin II is just bad luck.

Fujin Raijin II is a TOGO, not a Morgan.

--Erich

Vortex is the same as Top Gun at KI, so I guess it is also a "clone".

Wow, so what does that leave that is NOT cloned?

bobthecoasterguy said:
Fujin Raijin II is a TOGO, not a Morgan.

I know. Morgan derailed Wild Thing and SD2K. I was just saying that it was just bad luck that other derailments were fatal and Morgan's were not.

Dont even forget about Steel Dragon.

Timbers crew 08

I believe SD2K is Steel Dragon. :)

Vortex at Wonderland opened 2 years before Top Gun at Kings Island. In my opinion, that makes Top Gun the clone. Not that I can really defend the comment that Wonderland is full of production coasters (it clearly is) I just wanted to clarify regarding Vortex.

FLYINGSCOOTER said:
Dominator going there makes as much sense as anything else.

What a great idea. But I would bet that this ride will be a new ride, and then my next bet would be to find Dominator show up there in 2009. CW has major attendance and low capacity on their coasters. Having a hyper and then a B&M will make that capacity much better.

FLYINGSCOOTER said:
Dominator going there makes as much sense as anything else.

That would be awesome but I doubt it.

DantheCoasterman said:
Vortex is the same as Top Gun at KI, so I guess it is also a "clone".
Wow, so what does that leave that is NOT cloned?

CLONES: The Fly, Tomb Raider, IJ:ST, The Bat, Top Gun, SkyRider, Vortex, Wild Beast, Taxi Jam, Silver Streak.

Non-Clones:

-Minebuster (But it was based on another former coaster so idk.)
-Dragon Fire(It has clones but with right corkscrews)
-Thunder Run(Idk?)

I don't know but apparently it's going to be a Dive Machine for '08.

S:ROS = <3

Wilde Beast is a clone? Where is there a similar ride?

Isn't Ghoster Coaster a clone as well?

Good potential here to really help capacity issues. Some rides have 2+hr waits, and they're like 20yrs old. It's good for the park business, but bad for impatient customers who want to try and ride everything. If it is a Intamin coaster, then there COULD be the potential that Dominator would show up the following year.

However, I don't want Geauga Lake to lose yet another coaster. It'll be negating just about every thing that Six Flags invested into the park. Then again, at its current rate right now, I have no plans to return to Geauga Lake... but would most certainly go back to Wonderland.

Problem: Is there truly room at Wonderland for TWO coasters (thinking ahead in the future) without removing any more rides, or would they finally sacrafice one of their coasters for a newer one?

"Wilde Beast is a clone? Where is there a similar ride?"

Wild Beast... or Wilde Beast as it was once called... is a near replica of the Wildcat at Cincinnati's Coney Island. (Demolished in 1964) It was built for Canada's Wonderland in 1980. (opened in '81)

Grizzly at KD (1982), Grizzly at GA in California (1986), and the (former) Bush Beast at Autralia's Wonderland (1985) followed, and are all what I'd consider "clones" of the CW version.

Also, just for mention... MC Minebuster is a near duplicate of the Shooting Star located at Cincinnati's Coney Island. (Demolished in 1972)

Someone above listed several CW coasters as "clones." Well, the word clone suggests to me that they were copied from something previously built.

While several of the Wonderland coasters are what I consider "shelf" rides (Coasters that are basic models/footprints offered by their respective manufacturers.) I wouldn't necessarily call them clones.

Shelf rides: Tomb Raider, The Bat, Taxi Jam, Silver Streak, Top Gun.

Vortex, Minebuster, Wild Beast and Fly were later "cloned" at other parks.

IJ:ST was built the same year as KI's.

Skyrider is indeed what I'd consider a direct "clone."

Shaggy

*** Edited 7/10/2007 2:44:05 PM UTC by Shaggy***

Shaggy

Do you really think that CW will get a Intamin hyper and Dominator in 2 years. There is no way that their going to get 2 coasters in a row. They already have great attendance and don’t need 2 coasters in such a small time. Why spend 13 million on a new coaster and not have a big increase in attendance, and then get another coaster with yet another little increase.

Timbers crew 08

They DID get 2 coasters in a row a few years back. Tomb Raider was immediately followed by Italian Job: Stunt Track.

THAT, then was preceeded by Sledge Hammer, Psychlone, Shockwave, and Cliffhanger year-by-year... so it would come as no surprise that since they had a major ride nearly every year, they could install a major coaster for the next two years, especially if they finally replace an aging coaster.

Coasterkid200 said:
Do you really think that CW will get a Intamin hyper and Dominator in 2 years. There is no way that their going to get 2 coasters in a row. They already have great attendance and don’t need 2 coasters in such a small time. Why spend 13 million on a new coaster and not have a big increase in attendance, and then get another coaster with yet another little increase.

Remember, CP got Wicked Twister in 2002 and TTD in 2003. It's definately possible for CW to add two coasters two years in a row, and would most likely attract even more guests and have even more season pass renewals then they do now. It would be costly, but it's definately possible.

Coasterkid200 said:
Do you really think that CW will get a Intamin hyper and Dominator in 2 years. There is no way that their going to get 2 coasters in a row. They already have great attendance and don’t need 2 coasters in such a small time. Why spend 13 million on a new coaster and not have a big increase in attendance, and then get another coaster with yet another little increase.

Besides, MiA deserves it.

Hobbes: "What's the point of attaching a number to everything you do?"
Calvin: "If your numbers go up, it means you're having more fun."

Hey, that's Hoek's line! lol

I was *intrigued* by this concept of Vortex being a clone of PKI's Top Gun. Seemed to me that the terrina of PKI's might have messed with my perception. I'd have thought that PCW's was taller and faster, with a longer ride time....but with similar layouts (which I guess is the basis for the idea of them being copies), and PCW's having a longer "straightaway section" out and back up onto the brakes. So I checked...

They are about the same length, but Vortex is listed as considerably taller (91'-78') but 4mph faster, making for a shorter ride time. I was surprised by Top Gun's track length, always semmed shorter...

Anyhow, back to '08...Tomb Raider shouldn't count, since it's horrible... ;)

Any park that draws turnstile clicks like THAT, and still has SO much potential for future growth...can get new rides for as long as the Canadian Mint keeps operating... :)

My guess is that Vortex is listed as "taller" because PKI's Top Gun's lift is built on a hill. I was always under the impression they were essentially the same ride.

Then again, I haven't ridden Vortex, and I've been told that people prefer one over the other.

-Nate

Oh, I prefer Vortex. Really enjoyed TG in the old days when it was heavily wooded, still a good ride. But Vortex definitely felt like the most *powerful* suspended outside of the one in Williamsburg...

Small thought: I really like(d) the Paramount Parks...ALOT. But that being said, *one* coaster in the chain made my steel top 10. ONE? This is a real opportunity for CF to make a statement about the future of the united PP/CF by building a super coaster in this super...market.