B&M Inverts: Cobra rolls or Batwings?

Friday, October 19, 2001 10:40 AM
I've been on Kumba and Medusa & SFGAdv and their cobra rolls were both smooth as can be.  I don't know if it has anything to do with the fact that you are riding on top of the track as opposed to beneath it, like on Raptor or Alpie.

*** This post was edited by Rob Ascough on 10/19/2001. ***

Friday, October 19, 2001 10:44 AM
I'm not *really* all that anti-CP. It's still one of my 5 favorite parks. I guess I just like to be that fly in the ointment.

This is what I love about opinions, everyone's varies so greatly. Like Jeff and I, he thought Raptor was intense and Alpie blah, and I thought just the opposite. Maybe we didnt actually ride the same rides :)

Oh, and I have never said anything bad about the CP Arrow coasters ;)
--who is going to shed his image of being "hostyl"

Friday, October 19, 2001 12:31 PM

I LOVE the Batwings, the span between inversions gives you time to "adjust".  Like Jeff said, cobra rolls vary WIDELY. 

Homey G. said:

  I like the Hulk's roll because it's soo big..  It sweeps through the cobra roll, not jerks.

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Friday, October 19, 2001 12:47 PM
I prefer the cobra rolls, but that's because I've never been on a batwing.

One thing I have noticed about cobra rolls, though, is that they look cooler than they feel.

Nothing compares to the feeling of a heartline roll on an invert....

"They were rong, very rong." -Coolbrojoe

Friday, October 19, 2001 1:14 PM
I prefer immelmans.  The feeling is har superior to both Batwings and Cobra Rolls.  Especially the one on Talon.  Great Bear has a decent Immelman, but Talon's is much more exciting.  Cobra rolls are kind of jerky as the speed of the train doesn't flow, it seems to fluctuate rapidly.
Friday, October 19, 2001 2:01 PM
I prefer bat wings on inverts over cobra rolls

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Friday, October 19, 2001 2:06 PM

You forgot the B&M batwing on Top Gun ;) It r0x. I've been on a variety of B&M's (14 to be exact, if my memory serves).

Out of the two batwings (Montu and Top Gun), I prefer the one on Top Gun (very intense).

Regarding cobra rolls, they're fun; however, they don't get much more forces than batwings. Except for Alpengeist, but that coaster is just... HUGE, and my 2nd favorite inverted, just below Top Gun: TJC.

Anyone want 5G's on a batwing? If so, head over to Top Gun! :)

Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:20 AM
SFoGswim's avatar I like Cobra Rolls better, but not when they're taken too fast like Ice Dragon's.
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Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:28 AM
rollergator's avatar ZOMBIE thread...kill it! ;)

Cobra rolls = -2
Batwings = +2

Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:49 AM
Kill it? But it's old enough to start 2nd grade! :)
Wednesday, June 27, 2007 10:52 AM

I prefer immelmans. The feeling is har superior to both Batwings and Cobra Rolls. Especially the one on Talon. Great Bear has a decent Immelman, but Talon's is much more exciting. Cobra rolls are kind of jerky as the speed of the train doesn't flow, it seems to fluctuate rapidly.

I thought Talon was the worst of the inverts I've been on (I have also been on Raptor, BTR's, and the Dueling Dragons). Talon was weak to me. I think it has to do with those immelmans, and the tall and skinny (not wide) loop. I also don't care for Fire at IOA.

I love the cobra roll. I have ridden Dominator, Raptor, Scream!, Hydra, ICE, Hulk, Standard Vekoma Boomerang, Deja Vu, and it just doesn't get any better. For me, it's my favorite inversion on a coaster. I haven't been on a ride that has a Batwing.

I hate the Arrow's batwing though (Viper at SFMM).

Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:04 AM
Wow, I don't even remember starting this thread! Then again, why would I? It was all the way back in 2002. Like someone else said, it already graduated kindergarten.

Since I started this thread, I've experienced Cobra Rolls and Batwings and I must say I prefer Batwings. The g-forces in between the two elements are stomach-crushing, almost like the kind of thing you'd find on a really good Anton ride. Batwings are also pretty rare compared to Cobra Rolls, which are very common.

Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:11 AM
matt.'s avatar Talon is also my least favorite but funny enough Fire is hands down my favorite.

Anyway, on Top Gun you have to ride this bad boy in the back seat. If you watch this video


when you enter the batwing there is a DELICIOUS pause in the rotation, especially towards the back of the train. I can't remember if Montu's batwing tracks the same way but I rode about 5 or 6 times in a row towards the back of the train and I love the way you rotate into that, get that half second pause, and the *plummet* down into the mist.

Fun stuff. It's nuance like that which separate the great looping coasters from the merely good.

Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:14 AM
...and the reason why I don't get it when people claim all B&M's are more or less the same. I can think of a lot of things I like about particular B&M coasters.
Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:25 AM
matt.'s avatar Yeah, if people claim that they just haven't ridden that many B&M's I guess.

Just in the inverted coasters alone I think there's a wide range of quality. I think Talon is the lamest of the bunch but it's still a "fine" ride, of course.

Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:33 AM
I've never considered Talon to be a lame ride but as I rode more and more inverts, I found that it wasn't as special as others. Like you, Fire is my hands-down favorite, with Montu close behind it. Great Bear is gaining ground... I started out feeling very little for that ride but each time I ride it I appreciate it more and more.

You're probably right, the people that claim all B&M's are the same haven't ridden too many of them.

Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:34 AM
Acoustic Viscosity's avatar Batwings are fun, but mostly because they are a bit rare; however the king of inversions is the zero-g roll! :)

AV Matt
Long live the Big Bad Wolf

Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:37 AM
Yeah, I could go for an invert with nothing but zero-g camelbacks ;)
Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:46 AM
matt.'s avatar

Rob Ascough said:
Great Bear is gaining ground...

You and I have similar taste in loopers. I love the way Great Bear tracks, I love the weird helix, I love the crazy setting, and my favorite moment is another one of those nuance things - the way the train kicks out hard to the right after the zero-g-roll and zooms down towards the water.

Big fat positive g, nice side to side action, I look forward to it every time. Ride's a bit on the short side of course but what it does it does perfectly.

Of course Fire is full of those little weird transitions and idiosyncrasies.

Wednesday, June 27, 2007 11:57 AM
Acoustic Viscosity's avatar I really dig the foot-choppers as you fly along the water. Great Bear is a great ride.

AV Matt
Long live the Big Bad Wolf


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