B&M Expensive Arrow? - CoasterBuzz

Have you noticed that the last couple of rides B&M has made have had the same inversion orders, or that their last two hypers look almost exactly alike, or that almost all their floorless have same design, except medusas
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Do you mean Arrow as in having most coasters looking closely indentical to another one?

I have noticed that.
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As I've said before...Intamin is the best because they're original. B&M is starting to get boring with their layouts...they're becoming predictable.
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Well, if Tennessee Tornado is as smooth as I have heard, then I think that B&M coasters are just expensive Arrow coasters. Why would you buy a 14 million dollar ride from B&M when you can get the exact same layout and experience from a maybe 10 million dollar Arrow? We all know that Arrow is now capable of smooth rides and large elements, we'll just have to see if they can keep this up with their financial trouble.
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From the parks viewpoint with B&M they get a known product that they can expect to be very reliable, be ready on time, and work right away. Arrow seems to be revitalized, but has yet to establish this sort of track record.

OK-- the reason they don't change their layouts that much is because those layouts are known winners. If you have a great ting, why change it? Thats exactly what B&M is doing, and you should be happy about it because it makes their product widely accessible to everyone, and they still put out unique rides also.

I wouldn't go as far to say that Intamin is the most original.

Alot of the spots on M-Force and S:ROS at Darien Lake are boring.

M-Force: Drop, turn, straight spot, hill, turn, straight spot, turn, straight spot, hill, turn, hill, straight spot, turn.

S:ROS: Drop, turn, hill, straight spot, turn, straight spot, hill, turn, hill, hill, hill. Nothing too special if you ask me.

IMO: The best rides are those that take proven to be popular elements and arrange them in a intense and fast paced layout. That's what I try to do with coasters I make on No Limits and I like the end results.

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Awww long time no see B&M its about time you posted again. When are you ever gonna post a screen shot of the coasters you make for Nolimits? Also i may be getting nolimits very soon ;)

Aim ya lata IntaminAG

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The straight spots you mentioned that are in MF's layout are there to set itself up for an overbank or turn (keeps the G's down). They are also there to avoid hitting it's own track or supports. They are hardly boring since they are some of the fastest parts of the ride because they are extremely low to the ground.

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But here is the thing with B&M, there are limited possiblities for coaster designs with certain number of inversions. How many ways are there to flip guests upside down 5 time? Until B&M can come up with new inversions, the possibilities are limited!

Also, the money issue. Don't forget that shipping (of the track and supports) is really expensive from Europe to the United States bringing the price up for the coasters. But also, B&M track is bulkier than Arrow's track raising prices slightly higher. B&M is regarding very highly in the coaster industry allowing them to have high prices (sort of like expensive cars) even though they are not necessarily any better than another company.

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Matthew,

B&M doesn't ship track pieces to US.

B&M contracts an Ohio-based fabricator for US B&M coasters.

Regarding the originality of B&M's, proven designs sell. It's not like the normal GP would travel everywhere to ride all B&M coasters and realize most B&M's are the same. They wouldn't know nor care if it's B&M or not.

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B&M track is manufactured in Ohio, boss. What are you talking about shipping from Europe?

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B&M's are not that much more expensive. Take a Vekokma SLC vs. a B&M Batman. There is only about $1.5 million difference (according to recent installations). They may be "expensive" but not by a huge margin.
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And you got to realize that when a park puts in a coaster, they think of the general public that only visists their home park, the ride will be new to them and draw them in. But on the other hand, the general public isn't going to care if the ride is a B&M or an Arrow. Heck if I asked the average person at a park, I bet they wouldn't know the difference.
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Matthew said:
But here is the thing with B&M, there are limited possiblities for coaster designs with certain number of inversions. How many ways are there to flip guests upside down 5 time? Until B&M can come up with new inversions, the possibilities are limited!
Also, the money issue. Don't forget that shipping (of the track and supports) is really expensive from Europe to the United States bringing the price up for the coasters. But also, B&M track is bulkier than Arrow's track raising prices slightly higher. B&M is regarding very highly in the coaster industry allowing them to have high prices (sort of like expensive cars) even though they are not necessarily any better than another company.
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That's so not true. B&M has a couple mor einversions that have never been used before, it's just the layout people (Warner Stengle) never put them in, or parks ask for specific elements. See, I think Intamin is way better at hypers, as for other coasters, they seem to get repetitive (Volcano has 3 zero-gs, Atlantis has 5!).

See, those straight sections on hypers are way better than a mid course brake, because on a mid course you're like 50-100' up and going slow, and being slowed down. Those "straight sections" you're always close to the ground and moving extremely fast. Also, most of them are so that the coaster can properly fit the terrain in the most coast efficient ways.

also B&Ms being 4wide seating offer greater capacity. it;s been sia din this thread already that aroow is just now coming back were B&M has been there, and is still there. you can;t argue againts apollo;s chariot, nitro, dueling dragons. I don;t think there are any SBNO B&Ms were there are a number of arrows that are sitting gathering dust. there;s one that sits in a great park along with two top ten B&Ms that is just about to turn ten, and 3 (it woudl be 4 but who knows if its still there) of those years it;s done jack. it was suposed to be som epinacle of coster building, well turns out it wasent and arrow built it and I would say that also tarnishes thier image quite a bit. that VA tennesee tornado, the negative sout weight the positives. ok I have ranbled enough I think peoples get what I am trying to say. not to knock arrow nessie is my my favorite looper period.
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Four wide does NOTHING for capacity. Millennium Force trains can seat the same number of people as the Nitro trains can (36). What makes the B&M pph higher is the use of more block segments (i.e. having a mid course brake). This allows them to dispatch trains sooner.
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Jeremy, you'd think by now people would understand that four-wide doesn't give more overall capacity. I'm too lazy to explain it for the billionth time. ;)

That said, B&M's, to me, even though they can have similar elements (first three inversions of Kraken, Medusa West, for example), they usually have SOMETHING different about them to make them stand out in their own way. The inversions may be packed tighter together, or have some added theming the others don't. That's why I still think B&M has it.

With the addition of their flyers, B&M has quite an impressive product line-up for parks to choose from.

PS it's Legendary, HostylJeremy! ;)

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