BGT New Coaster for 2005!

^I'll say...not to mention, atleast its not another 475 foot 133 mph rocket coaster...i'm really getting sick of those...

*sarcasm at its best*

Maybe we'll see one soon, but I've been waiting for a new steel coaster (CC excluded) at BGT since 1998's, Indoor-Standup, Mt. Kilimanjaro rumors.

I think the vertical drop coaster, while some call it a gimmick, and its not the best-reviewed by enthusiasts, is the right coaster type to draw tourists.

p.s. why the commas in your fight club quote, ziggy?

I think this will make a great additon to the park especially if it has no loops after the plunge but airtime hills instead. They have 4 looping coasters and one wooden. This better not have loops.

Anyone know which ride has wider trains X or the Dive machine?

I'm guessing X

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Coaster Lover said:
Double the tires=double the contact between tires and train=double the friction between the tires and train=1/2 the slippage of the tires...the more weight the train is, the more friction needed to get it moving.

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This is mind-bogglingly bad science.

Increased surface area doesn't lead to increased friction in all circumstances. Humidity and temperature affect how "sticky" a rubber tire is, but this is not friction in its strictest sense. Formulas used that involve friction can still be used, with mu approximating a coefficient of friction that takes account of the other things happening in the system.

Friction doesn't move anything. It can't. By its very definition, friction *opposes* motion. I'm really unsure where that last sentence came from or what it's meant to illustrate.

Does anyone know when we can expect a press announcement?

I would think it would be to increase the total force that can be applied to the train.

Because the trains are super wide and super short, a single drive wheel configuration would only allow a few wheels (2 or 3) to touch the train at any given time: not enough force to move the train.

The two wheel config. would double the normal force, thereby doubling the amount of friction force the motor could apply to the train without slipping.

(Friction force = normal * coeff).

If the track is straight accross on dive machines, does this mean the lift and chain dog are higher up then on regular B&M's?

Ok, let's see how much I remember from my dynamics classes...the properties of friction won't change but the area of contact between the tire and the train will double with the additional tires. Twice as much contact area means that the feeder motors can start and stop the trains with the same amount of friction, if that makes any sense. If the train is too heavy and only one tire contacts the train, there would be a lot of skidding and sliding between the tire and the train when the motors try to start and stop it, especially when the surfaces are wet. It's essentially the same thing ApolloAndy said. In response to what Chernabog said, friction does oppose motion, but friction is what's being used here. The friction isn't being used to control the movement of the train on the track, it's being used to give the feeder tires better grip on the train. I agree that friction itself isn't being incrased or decreased, but increasing the contact area between tire and train means more precise control. I also agree with what ApolloAndy said about the short length of the train, that makes sense too.

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RavenTTD said:
I heard a rumor they were getting a B&M dive machine, but I thought it was just talk. The permits made me think of it.

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that's what i heard as well

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Thanks Josh...they sure have gotten a LOT done since I was there a couple short weeks ago....can't WAIT to ride this thing...:)

You'll have to, Gator ;)

This ride looks like it will be the best steelie in FL. I wonder if B&M can build one of these using the speedcoaster clam shell restraint 8 across and build a long (5000-6000+ feet) non-looping one with lots of airtime hills. I know we may have to wait a few years for this to happen because of the agreement with B&M not to build a similar ride for a few years. It is also impressive to see them beat the 87.5 degrees @ BGT. I'd still rather have an airtime filled hyper like AC but I don't think there ever been a coaster built yet with TWO 90 degree drops. I will definately want to try it out!!!!