BGT New Coaster for 2005!

I'm a food enthusiast. Doesn't mean that I will accept or be grateful for food that sucks.

I've gotta agree with Jeff on this. I'm happy when parks make good purchases.

For instance I live close to PCW. It's been 5 years since our last coaster. And for the last couple years the strongest rumour was a B&M floorless. Then this year we get a Zamperla Volare. Even though it's our first coaster in 5 years, it didn't make me happy. And it's definetly not going to get me to drop $50 to go ride the thing.

Although that's more of a dramatic example. Anything from B&M is a good thing to me.

You're Flashback clone is in the mail.

Mamoosh,

"what did you expect Andy to say on camera? "That was bloody awful!"

LOL Now that would have been good TV! :-) Actually- if he had thought it was a bad ride- it wouldn't have surprised me if he had said as much, or been very reserved in his appraisal. I seem to remember some RCCGB memebers being very critical of The Pepsi Max Big one.

You can always adopt the 'art teacher' approach to criticism and say something is: "interesting and unusual" Which translates as: "It's crap" At least, it does in the UK! :-)

As it stands- if memory serves- he looked pretty pumped about the ride and had the curious expression that everyone seems to wear when coming off a good ride. You know, the one that looks like the cat that's just got the mouse! :-) Actually, that "good coaster look" might be a good topic for another thread ;-)

Best.

B

Don't forget that back in 1998 when Oblivion opened, it was indeed the only vertical drop coaster in the world. It was a new experience to ride a face first drop on a coaster like that.

Six years later... you can call it mundane if you wish.

I was happy to see a new coaster arrive at BGT this year. Cheetah Chase fits the family nitch and I have always enjoyed wild/mad mouse coasters!!

As far as the cost of the "new coaster" goes I'm sure that wouldn't be a problem I mean Cheetah Chase was only relocated and they haven't had a large coaster project added since Gwazi back in 99'. So I'm sure they have some moolah stashed away for new attractions.

Maybe so, but Busch did cut back on cap expenditures a few years back, so I don't think much has been budgeted for huge attractions since '99 or so.

Why do people think this is a first in the United States.

NO ONE cares that its the first B&M Dive Machine. It is absolutely ridiculous to think you could advertise the ride as such.

And count me in to those who think the whole "Dive Machine" rumor is a fake. They got the "blueprints" off the patent for the dive machine.

Most likely BGT is building a new coaster. But I can say with some confidence that its just not a dive machine.

Matt,

If any park in the US were to get a dive machine, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it were marketed it as the "first in the US."

After all, it seems that Hershey is really pushing the whole "first hydraulic launched coaster..........with inversions" a bit far, but technically, it's true.

Parks seem to market pretty much anything they find unique, which isn't really a bad thing. It just might sound odd at times depending on the angle.

I got a small laugh when I would constantly hear and read the description of Face/Off at PKI opening year.

"Ride the only 5g, face-to-face, inverted roller coaster in the midwest"

-Sean (the first Flaharty to post on Coasterbuzz)

Sorry Sean, but your claim isn't so...my maiden name is Flaharty ;)

Parks will market whatever they can, wether true or not.

Look at Marineland in Niagra Falls. Year after year I still get their brochure in the mail that claims Dragon Mountain is the longest steel roller coaster in the world. Even though it lost that title many years ago.

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CoasterFanMatt said:

NO ONE cares that its the first B&M Dive Machine. It is absolutely ridiculous to think you could advertise the ride as such.

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Wow, I would strongly recommend you not go into business and especially marketing! As for why people would think it would be the first dive machine in the States, well...it would be.

-Nate

You assume (incorrectly) that the public knows/cares what a B&M or Dive Machine is.

So perhaps it is you, my friend, who ought to not be in business or marketing.

If they were smart, they'd say it is the first and only coaster with a vertical drop in Florida. See, people can understand that.

The average guest will not travel 5 minutes from home to see a new "dive machine," but you should darn well believe that a towering vertical drop sounds pretty good to them.

I never suggested the park should claim "The first dive machine in the states" without explaining what, exactly, a "dive machine" entails. On the contrary, I only suggested the park could (and would) easily use the "only one of its kind in the country" claim.

SFGAdv, for instance, marketed the hell out of Medusa for being the world's first floorless coaster and it seemed to work well for them. Of course, they explained what a floorless coaster is, as one essential part of advertising is informing the public, but they still used the claim. A "first in the country" claim is a huge selling point, whether you see that or not.

-Nate *** Edited 4/30/2004 6:40:52 AM UTC by coasterdude318***

If BGT does get a Dive Coaster you guys on the other side of the Atlantic have got a very good coaster to look forward to. I've ridden a fair few coasters and Dive Machines are not to be written off! The suspense of hanging over the edge adds a unique fantastic element to the experience.

I'm heading off to Taiwan in June to experience G5, that's how much I like them.

I learned something interesting from a coworker (works at my job part time) of mine (has worked for Busch for around 20yrs, works in guest relations...any hoo) Its supposed to have a "element" similar to that of I believe Underground (the one that goes through the gift shop, maybe another coaster..correct me if I'm wrong) It will have something to that extent but its not going to pass through a gift shop! He also said it's supposed to run through all of stanleyvill (so perhaps the dive is out then), and that it's slated to open late spring early summer. I guess take that for what its worth..

IF it were a dive machine, the park could market the ride from any number of angles. The first vertical drop coaster in Florida... the largest coaster drop in the Southeast... the possibilities are endless. Get a good enough marketing company and you can pretty much promote anything as unique.

That said, I don't buy into the whole Dive Machine idea. I've been wrong before (so I could very well be), but my hunch tells me this is going to be something else.

You guys won't get jobs in *marketing* that way, LOL....

"World's First" is likely how it would be billed, regardless....sure, it may not be entirely ACCURATE (unless it's the world's first INVERTING dive machine), but let's face it, advertising tends toward hyperbole, even if it stretches the truth more than a little bit....;)

Busch recognizes that noone outside of "us geeks" is going to know there's another dive machine 3,000+ miles away anyhow...isn't Gwazi the longest fastest dueling wooden rollercoaster in the Southeast (even if it RARELY duels, or even runs both sides)? With enough adjectives, nearly anything can be "world's first"....remember how small we found the Midwest *to be*...;)

Seems that the Midwest is actually smaller than the Dells itself, since numerous coasters in that city can claim to be record-holders!

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coasterdude318 said:
I never suggested the park should claim "The first dive machine in the states" without explaining what, exactly, a "dive machine" entails. On the contrary, I only suggested the park could (and would) easily use the "only one of its kind in the country" claim.

A "first in the country" claim is a huge selling point, whether you see that or not.

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Fair enough. The first in the country idea is a good one, that much is obvious. I still would leave the term "dive machine" out in favor of the RCT-esque Vertical Drop Coaster. So you'd say its a first of its kind Vertical Drop Coaster. Yeah, now I think we have a marketable slogan.

When you mention a "dive machine" to the average guest, they'll respond with, "thats nice, but whats so exciting about a swimming pool?" ;)