BGT New Coaster for 2005!

Who ever said it had to go underground?

And as for why there are only two of them, you know the answer to that as well as any of us, Jeff... there are only two because only two parks have bought one. That doesn't mean they're bad or poorly received. Just that only two parks so far felt the return was worth the investment.

I'm not saying it is or isn't, but I DO think it could help BGT stand out, especially since it seems they've recently been trying to market themselves more nationally.

Just because the 2 existing Divers only go up, do the drop and end doesn't mean that future models have to do the same thing. Just look at Storm Runner versus TTD.

I'm not saying BGT will or won't get one, but I wouldn't just chalk it up to "they suck" and discount the possibility altogether

The Dive machines are the most expensive B&M made right? The track was larger, the cars more expensive and more of them.... Plus the cost of building underground is not cheep. But, maybe this will allow people to see the coaster in a "different light".

Don't forget, the dive machine doesn't HAVE to go underground -- while Oblivion does, G5 does NOT.

I'll believe that's what BGT is putting in only if/when they announce it, though. They're interesting rides, but expensive.

Good work on finding the permits, Josh. Finally some actual PROOF of something, rather than sheer speculation.

"Oblivion remains the only coaster that has ever put the wind up me"

Funny.... onions have the very same effect on me.

Shaggy

Hey guys its more than B&M that can make vertical drop coasters.......besides who said its gonna be a vertical drop coaster period.........

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If it's such a fabulous ride (and I admit I haven't been on one), why are there only two of them?

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I know several coasters that they are only several of but are awsome rides. Its just what the park wants and what they can afford........

Actually, it looks like G5 does go underground, albeit not very far.

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Jeff said:
Ugh. Nobody is going to buy a dive machine. Boring!

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Now that was just plain showing stupidity :(

Why would you comment on something you haven't ridden?

Chuck, who knows like many enthusiast that FLYING SCOOTERS are not boring but thats what people might think looking at it.

Alright, I'm going to have to admit, I don't think it will be a dive machine either. I am gonna stick with the B&M Hyper theory. They can easily tuck the station in there (Stanleyville), run the lift hill along 30th Street and have a majority of the coaster back behind Congo River Rapids (noise avoidance). A few airtime hills back to the station, a tunnel, a helix and heck we got us a coaster...who know's...Its fun to hope though!

Josh

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Jeff said:
If it's such a fabulous ride (and I admit I haven't been on one), why are there only two of them?

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Simply put, Cost!

It's not like a tunnel which you basically carve out and then cover over, You actually have to bore unless you build it in a hillside. Not to mention I bet them B&M trains go for over a million apiece and even a medium sized B&M cost over 10 mill.

Chuck, who thinks it's no secret why many parks build vekoma slc's over Beemers. (Answer= Cost)

There are some pics that better demonstrate G5's subterranean dive here. No affiliation, blah blah blah . . .

Ooh, nice catch, Vater. I missed that shot. I was always under the impression that G5 did not go below ground, but from that picture it apparently does.

IF (*big if*) there was going to be a B&M Dive Machine built in the US, why couldn't it go to a park with the TERRAIN to support it...shoot, even INSIDE the chain there's such a park which JUST lost a coaster to BGT. BGW HAS the terrain to support a dive machine...AND even go underground.

As much as I wanted a dive machine in the US, and I *still* think it would be cool if it had some extra inversions....I don't think this is it. Could be wrong, have been before...

Of course, IF it turned out to be my S:RoS clone (the extra S is for DHollon, LOL)...then I would look like THIS guy, permanently...:)

What I got from those permits was that there is only one building for the coaster I thought.

#3 and #4 permits are for the restaurant, and gift shop.

#2 is a 2 story coaster building(most likely the station).

But #1 sounds like the footers. The #Bldngs:1 is just misleading I think.

If so, how would 6,000 feet worth of footers be? I'm drawing a blank on how much feet of footers are used for other coasters.

Like some of the others in this thread, I found Oblivion to be very cool. Far from boring. The only gripe I had with the ride wasn't actually with the ride itself, but rather the horrible designed quene and a few rude operators.

As Chuck said, I think the main reason why more parks haven't purchased a dive machine is cost. Other companies now offer vertical drop coasters at a fraction of the price. Believe it or not, but there have been a couple of park reps that did go overseas to ride Oblivion and were very impressed by the ride itself, but not the hefty price tag, thus the reason said parks didn't purchase one.

Sean (who is from the school of "ride before you cry")

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Carnage said:
What I got from those permits was that there is only one building for the coaster I thought.

#3 and #4 permits are for the restaurant, and gift shop.

#2 is a 2 story coaster building(most likely the station).

But #1 sounds like the footers. The #Bldngs:1 is just misleading I think.

If so, how would 6,000 feet worth of footers be? I'm drawing a blank on how much feet of footers are used for other coasters.

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#1 is the Foundation / Concrete Slab for the 2 Story Coaster Building.

Ahh, okay. I see now. I missed the reference to the building.

-Shaggy,

Great answer! :-) Better lay off those hot dogs if you plan on sitting next to me on a ride, particularly oblivion! :-)

All I can say to those who have never ridden a dive machine is re-iterate that no DESCRIPTION does the EXPERIENCE justice. They really are great rides.

I don't think you can infer how great a ride is from the number built for the reasons mentioned above. If popular is synonomous with quality, then explain the number of awful Vekoma rides, or as they should be called: "Vek-oh- m'ass..... and ribs....and spine....and head"

Also, how do you explain pop idol! :-)

I really hope that a park has the balls that Alton Towers displayed with this ride and gives the B&M wizzards the chance to evolve the concept. A looping dive machine anyone?

Neither 6,000 nor 15,000 sq. ft. is a lot of space.

If I recall correctly, don't each of the Premier Spaghetti Bowl coasters sit on one acre? There's a lot of track crammed into that one acre. 15,000 sq. ft. is 1/3rd that size.

Edit: I made the first sentence read correctly. Yay. *** Edited 4/27/2004 9:11:22 PM UTC by Chernabog***

It's not entirely clear from the pics, but I don't think G5 actually goes underground that far (if at all). It looks more likely that the park has used a cutting in the cliff face and then encapsulated the base of the drop in a tube. The excavation certainly doesn't appear to be of the magnitude required for Oblivion (which accounted for a large proportion of its cost- v.expensive cars notwithstanding)

Best, B