Any Michigan's Adventure news?

Absolutely skewed sense of customer entitlement.

It'd be like purchasing a suit and being upset that shoes weren't included, then months later returning to the store and being upset that the same suits are in stock and shoes still aren't included. At the same time, if you wanted a different suit (or a package with shoes), just go to a different store. The price may be different too.

Oh wait, both stores are owned by the same guy?! Kind of like how best buy and future shop are owned by the same company, but don't always have the same sales...

Whatever. Accept it or get over it.

Here's the difference between CP and MiA: CP is near a whole lot more people than MiA is.

Wow, this thread is still here? I see nothing has changed...

...including MiA's attraction lineup.

Zing! I didn't read his post either, because the first line said everything about why he doesn't get it. Nothing he could say after would make any difference.

Timber-Rider said:

I could care less about the success or failure or Cedar Fair.

Then why do you keep starting and resuscitating threads about one of their parks?

Raven-Phile said:

Too long; didn't read.

Let me summarize it for you:

He's still an idiot.

I may not agree with him, but he is NOT an idiot

Timber-Rider, buddy. I am not going to punch you in this post. I am going to respectfully tell you what it is you don't seem to understand...

You have it backwards, friend. Very simply, when MA sees a downward slide in attendance, they will offer a new ride. Cedar Point has to add a new ride ever year or just to keep attendance level. That's just the way parks operate.

Peace. :)

It's also true that when parks--and we're talking smaller ones, usually--experience sustained and dramatic rises in attendance, they will frequently initiate large growth spurts to increase capacity. To wit: Waldameer, Beech Bend, Holiday World.

But attendance at MiA in no way matches this model.

I think that Avalanche Run (without the warehouse) would make a nice family friendly addition to Michigan's Adventure.

Cedar Point has stated neither of the rides will be relocated.

^Exactly. There's a reason why only 5 were ever built.

Maverick00 said:

Cedar Point has stated neither of the rides will be relocated.

They did, but when they made that statement they were referring to being moved somewhere else inside of the park.

I'm not saying that they're being moved elsewhere because Space Spiral would be cheaper to just rebuild. But just making the statement. Disaster Transport would be a good fit at MiA but Demon Drop would've been better.

Either way, MiA is still making bank off of Thunderhawk and attendance is still rising and they're still making money. Thunderhawk was a good business decision and another $8 million investment won't be needed for at least another year.

Yet, Dorney Park, who has a succession of new rides, and ride relocations, gets two new attractions. Stinger and Dinobore. And, one of the most successful parks Cedar Point gets yet another new attraction.

You guys claim, if the parks are making money, why add anything new? Well? What's the excuse for Cedar Point? If they are already making a profit, and attendance is good, why build there?

I think if they are going to build, they should do it at MA where it is very badly needed. They certainly don't seem to have a problem building anywhere else.

They haven't built a coaster at CP in five years. They've taken out a number of aging rides and replaced them. Big parks need to build stuff to maintain attendance. Small parks don't.

I'm wasting my breath. You don't care.

Listen closely, friend. I've already told you this twice...

The reason a park will build a new ride is:

A. Attendance is falling or flatlineing

B. There is no B.

So it seems to me that your favorite amusement park is not having attendance issues right now, so therefore doesn't need a major new ride at this time. That's just a guess determined by their new attraction record.

They do not build a new ride for the heck of it, or because they owe their customers more fun each year, or because it is expected of them.

To add to Jeff's point, Cedar Point hasn't had a new coaster since 2007, which is a year longer than when your favorite park built one. Even using your logic, Cedar Point needs a new coaster worse than MA.

Timber-Rider said:

Yet, Dorney Park, who has a succession of new rides, and ride relocations, gets two new attractions. Stinger and Dinobore. And, one of the most successful parks Cedar Point gets yet another new attraction.

You guys claim, if the parks are making money, why add anything new? Well? What's the excuse for Cedar Point? If they are already making a profit, and attendance is good, why build there?

I think if they are going to build, they should do it at MA where it is very badly needed. They certainly don't seem to have a problem building anywhere else.

It's because those parks need to fight sometimes to keep attendance...Michigan's Adventure really doesn't have to. The park has been seeing record breaking attendance since Thunderhawk opened, why ruin the stretch of making money with a gamble where you could potentially spend more than you think you could make back in said amount of time? (granted you could probably make it back, but remember, you want to make loads back and don't want to grow too quickly). Once again, Geauga Lake comes to mind with what Six Flags did.

The time will come where MiA gets a new ride, but it doesn't need to be super rushed. It will come. Let the park keep its attendance without really needing to do much.

In all honesty...I hope you like Dinosaurs Alive...

Dorney has competition from multiple parks. MiA has no competitors between Gurnee, IL & Sandusky, OH

Also, there are actual population centers around Dorney and CP. I would bet it takes CP half the time to recoup their capital investments than it takes MiA.

^Correct. The West Michigan Market is decent sized, but the only big cities in the vicinity are Grand Rapids (which is only about 30 minutes away) and Kalamazoo which is about an hour and a half away. Lansing isn't too far off either. The park doesn't really touch the Detroit or Chicago Markets (though both would have almost the same distance). They get about 800,000 people a year and it's been on the increase, but if it keeps increasing, then there isn't a point in spending a bunch of money on something. I know you all get the point though so I don't need to talk about that.

As for competition, in the area, except for competition from local fairs, the famous beaches/tourist destinations and events (air shows & carnivals and such), the only competition MiA has is family fun parks. The only decent sized competition it has is the AIR ZOO down in Kalamazoo/Portage. The Indoor Amusement Park/Air Museum brings in close to 200,000 people each year.

So basically, MiA owns the market on its own in its category, no point in dumping a whole bunch into it in the fear it might not help attendance.