Smoking in the Parks.
StandUpFan said:
There are simple things we can do to avoid smoke, so it's not all the smoker's fault when someone gets up in arms about breathing it.
But we shouldn't have to avoid it becasue we're not doing anything. Look, if I chewed tobacco, could I go around spitting it in people's faces? Should I say that the non-chewers are responsible for avoiding my spit? Of course not. And smoke is no different, or at least, it shouldn't be.
Legendary said:
For the record, while I don't "approve" of smoking, I really don't care. It's that persons health, not mine. When I start to care is when that persons smoke starts getting in my space and affecting my health.
Exactly, Legendary. I couldn't have said it better.
There are simple things we can do to avoid smoke, so it's not all the smoker's fault when someone gets up in arms about breathing it.
But we shouldn't have to avoid it becasue we're not doing anything. Look, if I chewed tobacco, could I go around spitting it in people's faces? Should I say that the non-chewers are responsible for avoiding my spit? Of course not. And smoke is no different, or at least, it shouldn't be.
Legendary said:
For the record, while I don't "approve" of smoking, I really don't care. It's that persons health, not mine. When I start to care is when that persons smoke starts getting in my space and affecting my health.
Exactly, Legendary. I couldn't have said it better.
Yeah, for all I care, all the inconsiderate(I know some aren't, and I respect that. Especially some of the smoking coaster enthusiasts who are posting messages)smokers can go ahead and waste there life. As long as I don't have to smell it, then so be it. I really hate smoking though.
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2 for 1 in 2001;SFGAm all the way!!
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2 for 1 in 2001;SFGAm all the way!!
StandUpFan said:
There are simple things we can do to avoid smoke
Not to start a fight, but I can't think of a single thing(beside's not breathing, carrying lage fans around with me, walking inside a box, etc.) to avoid breathing in the smoke caused by a person next to me in a queue. The only remedies I ever heard of are seen in restaurants. Either, have a large enough distance or gap in between you and the smoker, or a partition dividing the two. Both are impossible in the confined quarters of a queue.
The smokers don't have to Blow it in your face necessarily to smell it. Like any other cell, smoke will eventually disperse. Luckily since most queues are in open air, it will go away quicker.
There are simple things we can do to avoid smoke
Not to start a fight, but I can't think of a single thing(beside's not breathing, carrying lage fans around with me, walking inside a box, etc.) to avoid breathing in the smoke caused by a person next to me in a queue. The only remedies I ever heard of are seen in restaurants. Either, have a large enough distance or gap in between you and the smoker, or a partition dividing the two. Both are impossible in the confined quarters of a queue.
The smokers don't have to Blow it in your face necessarily to smell it. Like any other cell, smoke will eventually disperse. Luckily since most queues are in open air, it will go away quicker.
O.K. Hold up here, To stereotype a smoker is completely uncalled for. I smoke, but I am not a chain smoker. I have read some of these posts that say smokers are inconsiderate to others. I am the furthest from this. When I go to a park I absolutely dont smoke in line. I know that it is a rule and people are offended by it. I dont have a problem with that. I am one of those smokers that can hold out while in line.
Yes, there are people that light up in line and I myself have told them to put it out. Its a mutual respect thing. I (alot of people wont believe me) tell other smokers to respect others. I know its a bad habit but what can I say, I am addicted. Especially when I start pounding the adult beverages. I agree that you should report people that smoke while in line because I myself find it offensive. But to the people that automatically look at a smoker as disrespective, think before you act.
P.S. I will bring a pack with me to a park but I probably only smokeabout 4 cigarettes throughout a whole day.
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Yes, there are people that light up in line and I myself have told them to put it out. Its a mutual respect thing. I (alot of people wont believe me) tell other smokers to respect others. I know its a bad habit but what can I say, I am addicted. Especially when I start pounding the adult beverages. I agree that you should report people that smoke while in line because I myself find it offensive. But to the people that automatically look at a smoker as disrespective, think before you act.
P.S. I will bring a pack with me to a park but I probably only smokeabout 4 cigarettes throughout a whole day.
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Wow. Do I love a good old passionate debate :).
About phones, I carry mine with me almost everywhere I go. On rides, I have a bun-gee cord I fasten it to my pants with, and then I put it in my pocket. I see nothing wrong with carrying them on rides, as long as they are securely fastened. It's non relevant to this discussion any way. Now, on to the smoking...
As a citizen of this great country, one has the right to feel safe in one's person, and if you do not feel safe because of the risk of lung cancer, or other effects from second hand smoke(Being subjected to it in a queue line would most likely cause nothing more than coughing), then your rights are being violated, and that is illegal. It's understandable that people want to smoke, but there is a time and a place for everything.
Now what is this I read about it being "societie's fault that smokers cannot quit"? That is plain out ridiculous. 2Hostyl, If that was meant as a sarcastic comment, then I will take back any criticism, but here I go...
Societies fault?!? Ha! Smokers can quit without society. When I was in third grade, I fell in with the wrong crowd. I was smoking, and I was 8. 8! That is ridiculous. (It may be hard to believe, but all the factors were perfect. I could take cigarets from my mom, and If I smelled of them, it wasn't a matter, because I lived with a smoker.) Any way, at the age of 11, I began hanging out with other people, and as I got progressively more into hockey, I saw how bad it was for me. I decided to quit; And I did it. I just stopped. Sure it was hard, but I did it.
Now if child can quit without telling anyone (by telling someone, I could receive support)but 2 or 3 friends, then so can a grown adult. I understand that a more long-term addiction (15-20 years) may be harder to kick, but it is entirely possible.
Don't go blaming society for a poor choice of an individual.
About phones, I carry mine with me almost everywhere I go. On rides, I have a bun-gee cord I fasten it to my pants with, and then I put it in my pocket. I see nothing wrong with carrying them on rides, as long as they are securely fastened. It's non relevant to this discussion any way. Now, on to the smoking...
As a citizen of this great country, one has the right to feel safe in one's person, and if you do not feel safe because of the risk of lung cancer, or other effects from second hand smoke(Being subjected to it in a queue line would most likely cause nothing more than coughing), then your rights are being violated, and that is illegal. It's understandable that people want to smoke, but there is a time and a place for everything.
Now what is this I read about it being "societie's fault that smokers cannot quit"? That is plain out ridiculous. 2Hostyl, If that was meant as a sarcastic comment, then I will take back any criticism, but here I go...
Societies fault?!? Ha! Smokers can quit without society. When I was in third grade, I fell in with the wrong crowd. I was smoking, and I was 8. 8! That is ridiculous. (It may be hard to believe, but all the factors were perfect. I could take cigarets from my mom, and If I smelled of them, it wasn't a matter, because I lived with a smoker.) Any way, at the age of 11, I began hanging out with other people, and as I got progressively more into hockey, I saw how bad it was for me. I decided to quit; And I did it. I just stopped. Sure it was hard, but I did it.
Now if child can quit without telling anyone (by telling someone, I could receive support)but 2 or 3 friends, then so can a grown adult. I understand that a more long-term addiction (15-20 years) may be harder to kick, but it is entirely possible.
Don't go blaming society for a poor choice of an individual.
Intamin2k,
AAHH, but what if the cell phone overheats and starts smoking? :) (just kidding)
I just brought up the phone thing because somebody else had in a earlier post, but, you are right the topic is smoking, so, I apologize, but, I did say "using" the phone during the ride was my complaint, not the fact that people have them on their persons during the ride.
AAHH, but what if the cell phone overheats and starts smoking? :) (just kidding)
I just brought up the phone thing because somebody else had in a earlier post, but, you are right the topic is smoking, so, I apologize, but, I did say "using" the phone during the ride was my complaint, not the fact that people have them on their persons during the ride.
LOL!
That's what this forum needed, a little bit of humor to break the "tension."
Any way, no need to apologize. I understand what you were implying, and I understand why you said it. I was just trying to show that the point I was going to make was unrelated to cell-phones.
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"Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip!"
~From the brilliant mind of Homer J. Simpson.
That's what this forum needed, a little bit of humor to break the "tension."
Any way, no need to apologize. I understand what you were implying, and I understand why you said it. I was just trying to show that the point I was going to make was unrelated to cell-phones.
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"Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip!"
~From the brilliant mind of Homer J. Simpson.
Since when was smoking in public illegal, some people must have pretty stange habits if they are trying to avoid lung cancer 24hrs a day. Now rights are being violated. Are my rights broken when I get a massive migrane headache from cologne or perfume(that sets me off in the worst migrane headaches which are very painfull). Can I ask that person to wash of her perfume because becuse its affecting my rights or does she have rights too. I fought for everyones rights not just my own, I hate smoking yet its legal in this country to smoke untill its not, its not breaking your rights.
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Army rangers lead the way
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Army rangers lead the way
Yes smokers have rights and yes smoking is legal, but,if the park allows smoking only in designated areas then the smokers do not have the right to smoke in lines. Go to the smoking areas and toke up all you want.
People do not seem to have a problem only smoking in designated smoking areas at resteraunts or airports or hospitals but do for some reason at parks.
The real menance in line at SF parks is those basketballs that they give away as game prizes:)
(bounce, bounce, bang) "OOWWW MY HEAD, WHAT THE... " "Why you little PUNK.."
People do not seem to have a problem only smoking in designated smoking areas at resteraunts or airports or hospitals but do for some reason at parks.
The real menance in line at SF parks is those basketballs that they give away as game prizes:)
(bounce, bounce, bang) "OOWWW MY HEAD, WHAT THE... " "Why you little PUNK.."
Actually, smoking in public is illegal in many places Supermandl. I can't think of any outdoor stadium that allows smoking anymore. Let's face it, there's not one good reason for smoking cigarettes while in line for a ride. I don't care if you smoke anywhere else, just not in line.
On the subject of cell phones, go ahead talk all you want in line. After all, I'm usually talking so someone myself. However, ride ops should not allow the use of cell phones once the person is in the loading station for safety reasons. Please secure all loose items.
On the subject of cell phones, go ahead talk all you want in line. After all, I'm usually talking so someone myself. However, ride ops should not allow the use of cell phones once the person is in the loading station for safety reasons. Please secure all loose items.
Okay, as I said repeatedly, when there is a smoking ban in place, I respect (or did respect when I smoked) the policy. I even admitted that it is good to have it in place. My issue was with what I percive as overreacting to queue line smoking. If you see it ask them to put it out, if they refuse, point to the sign, if they still refuse report it (I said this in a previous post). There is no need IMO, to degrade into namecalling (e.g. inconsiderate idiots) to deal with this issue.
And no I2K, I was not being sarcastic. I am being sincere. The FDA, which is so keen about establishing the risk factors associated with products, failed to initially determine the health concerns associated with tobacco. Secondly, the tobacco industry, is such a HUGE foundation of the economies of certain states (e.g. Virginia, No. Carolina), that only until recently, they were virtually exempt from any responsibility for possible health risks. Thridly, smoking was glorified in every form and fashion of entertainment (let us not forget that George Burns, "Joe Camel" figure nor "Natasha" from Rocky & Bulwinke all smoked). Granted, maybe people shouldn't be so influnced by what they see, but the known reality is that they are. So society from, government to industry to entertainment, created an atmosphere conducive to the continual breeding of smokers.
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And no I2K, I was not being sarcastic. I am being sincere. The FDA, which is so keen about establishing the risk factors associated with products, failed to initially determine the health concerns associated with tobacco. Secondly, the tobacco industry, is such a HUGE foundation of the economies of certain states (e.g. Virginia, No. Carolina), that only until recently, they were virtually exempt from any responsibility for possible health risks. Thridly, smoking was glorified in every form and fashion of entertainment (let us not forget that George Burns, "Joe Camel" figure nor "Natasha" from Rocky & Bulwinke all smoked). Granted, maybe people shouldn't be so influnced by what they see, but the known reality is that they are. So society from, government to industry to entertainment, created an atmosphere conducive to the continual breeding of smokers.
When the news finally broke and people began to become aware of these concerns, the smokers were simply shunned in public circles. Many restaurants, bars, and all domestic airlines have done away with smoking in their businesses entirely. And those that did allow smoking, pigeon-holed the smokers into well-defined areas, almost like lepers in biblical times. Meanwhile, there were not programs to help people fight their addictions. Now (I'm talking the last 5 years or so) there is being money allocated to such programs, so great strides are being made. But I will never be convinced that American society did not 琀 氀攀愀猀琀 瀀愀爀琀椀愀氀氀礀 挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀攀 瀀爀漀戀氀攀洀 琀漀 戀攀最椀渀 眀椀琀栀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀 㰀戀爀㸀䄀渀礀眀愀礀Ⰰ 戀愀挀欀 猀瀀攀挀椀昀椀挀愀氀氀礀 漀渀 琀漀瀀椀挀Ⰰ 椀琀 猀攀攀洀猀 琀栀愀琀 洀愀渀礀 漀昀 礀漀甀 眀愀渀琀 洀攀 琀漀 猀甀瀀瀀漀爀琀 琀栀攀 瀀漀氀椀挀礀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 漀昀 ✀椀渀栀攀爀攀渀琀✀ 栀攀愀氀琀栀 挀漀渀挀攀爀渀猀⸀ 匀挀椀攀渀琀椀昀椀挀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 䤀 搀椀猀愀最爀攀攀 琀栀愀琀 焀甀攀甀攀 氀椀渀攀 猀洀漀欀椀渀最 椀猀 愀 爀椀猀欀 琀漀 琀栀攀 搀攀最爀攀攀 眀栀椀挀栀 礀漀甀 挀氀愀椀洀 ⠀栀攀爀攀 䤀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀昀甀氀氀礀 愀猀欀 琀栀愀琀 眀攀 猀椀洀瀀氀礀 愀最爀攀攀 琀漀 搀椀猀愀最爀攀攀⤀⸀ 䈀唀吀Ⰰ 猀椀渀挀攀 椀琀 椀猀 愀 爀甀氀攀 愀琀 瀀愀爀欀猀Ⰰ 眀攀 猀栀漀甀氀搀 愀氀氀 爀攀猀瀀攀挀琀 琀栀愀琀 爀甀氀攀Ⰰ 渀漀琀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 漀昀 漀甀爀 瀀攀爀猀漀渀愀氀 挀漀渀瘀椀挀琀椀漀渀猀Ⰰ 戀甀琀 戀攀挀愀甀猀攀 琀栀愀琀 椀猀 琀栀攀 爀甀氀攀Ⰰ 瀀攀爀椀漀搀⸀ 㰀戀爀㸀氀甀瘀 礀愀℀ 㰀戀爀㸀樀攀爀攀洀礀
Hey point man most stadiums have a non smoking ban in the seating area only most have a smoking area around the ramp area's. And its not illegal to smoke in the open in a park. I dont want anyone smoking in line but when they are smoking in the open and not in line then that's fine. When I mean public area I mean in the open not inside or standing in line.
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Army rangers lead the way *** This post was edited by supermandl on 2/28/2001. ***
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Army rangers lead the way *** This post was edited by supermandl on 2/28/2001. ***
I just tell people there's no smoking in line and usually they put it out. Some people look suprised because face it, most people don't read the rules in the park maps. The ones who look the most surprised are almost always teenagers. I did get into an altercation with a mother in line last year at Great Adventure though. She grossly misinterpreted the rules about public smoking and refused to put out the cigarrette. Out of the seven parks I've been to, the worst for smoking in line? Cedar Point.
I wish everyone could go back to the 70's when if you where not smoking in line you where wierd. Man it seemed everyone smoked back then. Any other old timers remember the old smoky lines. At least now its only one or 2 in a line.(still not condoning it)
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Joe E:
Sorry if I gave the impression that smoke is easy to avoid while in a queue line. It's obviously not, and I thought I was very clear about that in my post but I wasn't. There isn't an easy way to avoid it in line and that's why I'm totally against it. However, when just walking around with plenty of open space around you (i.e., not in crowds, indoor restaurants, etc.) it's so easy to avoid someone's smoke (provided they don't purposely try to blow it on you) I don't think it's even worth worrying about. Which brings me to my next response.
RagingBull:
I think we agree that smokers have a duty to show respect to those around them. But your argument with chewing tobacco is very weak. I don't know of any smokers who try to exhale their smoke in others' faces. Therefore, it's not the same; if they did do it intentionally then that would be the same as spitting tobacco in people's faces. But smokers just do their thing, often without worrying about those around them. Should we *have* to avoid it? But is it hard to avoid (in the open)? Should we get angry about it and make it a big issue? I say no to all three. Yeah, it's an inconvenience and it does sometimes make me angry, but I try not to let it bother me rather than worry too much about it. P.S. How do you use italics in your post?
Justin:
I disagree with your opinion about smoking in line, but I do agree on one thing: if someone is bothered by it they should let the smoker know. Someone who whines and complains but doesn't ever ask the smoker to put the cig out has no right to be angry.
I have seen a couple posts about perfume being the same way, and to me it's the exact same as smoking in line -- showing tremendous disrespect for those around you. It's a little harder to prohibit, but I sure would like to see a stop to people wearing enough perfume to "pollute" half the park with it. So anyone who wears lots of perfume is no better than a smoker眀栀攀渀 椀琀 挀漀洀攀猀 琀漀 氀椀渀攀猀⸀
Sorry if I gave the impression that smoke is easy to avoid while in a queue line. It's obviously not, and I thought I was very clear about that in my post but I wasn't. There isn't an easy way to avoid it in line and that's why I'm totally against it. However, when just walking around with plenty of open space around you (i.e., not in crowds, indoor restaurants, etc.) it's so easy to avoid someone's smoke (provided they don't purposely try to blow it on you) I don't think it's even worth worrying about. Which brings me to my next response.
RagingBull:
I think we agree that smokers have a duty to show respect to those around them. But your argument with chewing tobacco is very weak. I don't know of any smokers who try to exhale their smoke in others' faces. Therefore, it's not the same; if they did do it intentionally then that would be the same as spitting tobacco in people's faces. But smokers just do their thing, often without worrying about those around them. Should we *have* to avoid it? But is it hard to avoid (in the open)? Should we get angry about it and make it a big issue? I say no to all three. Yeah, it's an inconvenience and it does sometimes make me angry, but I try not to let it bother me rather than worry too much about it. P.S. How do you use italics in your post?
Justin:
I disagree with your opinion about smoking in line, but I do agree on one thing: if someone is bothered by it they should let the smoker know. Someone who whines and complains but doesn't ever ask the smoker to put the cig out has no right to be angry.
I have seen a couple posts about perfume being the same way, and to me it's the exact same as smoking in line -- showing tremendous disrespect for those around you. It's a little harder to prohibit, but I sure would like to see a stop to people wearing enough perfume to "pollute" half the park with it. So anyone who wears lots of perfume is no better than a smoker眀栀攀渀 椀琀 挀漀洀攀猀 琀漀 氀椀渀攀猀⸀
Closed topic.
