Smoking in the Parks.

I'm not a big fan of smoking in line in the rest of the park where its open and breeze its ok.
Everyone talks about how it can cause death(second hand smoke) but the coaster you are about to ride (heaven forbid) can cause your death also, very very super rare but does happen.

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Army rangers lead the way

Wow, RagingBull, you said almost everything I was going to say. I agree with you one thousand percent.

When I'm waiting in line, I try to be as nice to others as possible. When someone lights up in line, that shows they have no consideration for MY health so why the HELL should I care about them? The fact that it is "an addiction and is hard to control" blah blah blah is irrelevant. *I* chose to not smoke, why on Earth should I be penalized (penalized by the fact that someone is smoking in line when they shouldn't be) because someone else didn't have the will power to not even start smoking in the first place.

Hostly, you and I seem to be on polar opposites when it comes to linejumping and smoking in line. I am DEFINITELY a "hard-liner" when it comes to these two issues, esp when I am working. Both of these instances can cause confrontation between park guests, which can lead to fighting, etc. It's best that these rules are enforced for everyone, that way no one can complain.

And p_c_r. I find it humorous that you would even compare smoking in line with using a cell phone. Which of those two things can cause damage to the people around them? If you chose smoking, you are correct. The fact that you get annoyed at cell phones and pagers, to me, says you must have a very tough life. I feel sorry for that.

In conclusion, it's not really the fact that it's the rule to not smoke in line that bothers me when people smoke. It's the fact that the smokers are that disrespectful to their fellow guests to have the nerve to light up and "share" their [unwanted] smoke with everyone else. It's just so unbelievably rude.

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"Yes if by crestfallen you mean KILL US!" -- Homer J. Simpson

I agree also w/RaginBull

2Hostyl: I understand your point, but when someone is in front of you and the smoke is blowing into YOUR face, I think that is a very valid reason to complain.

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Dayuum, Your HOT! *** This post was edited by Coasterr on 2/27/2001. ***

I can definitely say that Legendary is a PITA while working. People in line get way out of control over stuff like this and if they get too rowdy may find themselves on the outside looking in. Just remember your not in your backyard, and you don't own the land you are inhabiting for the day. Treat it and those around you with respect. It only makes sense.

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BMCOASTER

bmcoaster@wi.rr.com

ONce at PKI while in line for King CObra. Someone who rode Days of Thunder (Go Karts pay attraction) threw a cigarette down. Well, it had been very dry lately and the grass started to smoke, with small flames coming up. The ops at Days of Thunder told the ops at Kings Cobra, and the King Cobra ops dumped their huge water container on it to put it out.

RagingBull said:
Hmmm. All of the reports I've read have clearly stated that second-hand smoke can cause lung cancer, which of course can lead to death. I'd say that's a pretty legit health concern, wouldn't you?
If you're going to quote reports, please do it right. The studies have shown that prolonged exposure to second-hand smoke may cause lung cancer. Unless you were around second-hand smoke on a fairly continual basis, there is no reason to believe that your risk for lung cancer should increase. IMO, the exposure to random smoke in a queue line is not enough to meet the prolonged exposure threshold.

You bring up a good point here. Why does everyone dance around the issue? Let's call it for what it is - smokers are drug addicts, plain and simple. They are physically addicted to a drug. A legal drug, sure, but still a drug. It's not our fault that they can't wait an hour or two to feed their addiction.
I could go on for an hour saying how society is a fault for creating these addicts and then not providing them with the proper help, but instead I will just say this, you want them to care about your feelings and health, yet you care nothing about theirs. (Have you ever seen someome go through withdrawl? Not a pretty sight.)

I will always be convinced that, in general, smokers are the most inconsiderate and disrespectful people around.
Your opinion is noted.

Legendary said:
Hostly (Hostyl), you and I seem to be on polar opposites when it comes to linejumping and smoking in line. I am DEFINITELY a "hard-liner" when it comes to these two issues, esp when I am working. Both of these instances can cause confrontation between park guests, which can lead to fighting, etc. It's best that these rules are enforced for everyone, that way no one can complain.
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I remember I was at Kennywood waiting for the Thunderbolt and some reject lites up a cigarette right in front of me. That is being inconsiderate. And smoke makes me cough.

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2Hostyl said:
"And as a park worker, I hope you would take the time out to enforce the rules that you have agreed (by accepting the position) to uphold. However, I as JC Park Patron, have made no such agreement to enforce the rules, I need only follow them."

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Yes, but if you noticed, I said *especially* while I'm working. When I am John Q. Public I will still tell the smokers the rules, not because I'm an employee, but because it's my health. It's just so much easier to tell someone to put out a cig when you have the blue shirt on with the name tag, than when you're a guest in line. I do try and be as nice as possible when asking people to put their cigarettes out, but I find it that most people *don't give two craps*. They'll put out their cig when they're damn good and ready. THAT is what ticks me off the most, and I think that is why I have a lot of resentment towards smokers in line. The disrespect.

BTW, I'm in a park for most of the summer, waiting in queue lines. I'm sure that is prolonged exposure in some way or another. :)

jeremy
--who wonders how many people speed when they drive.

Ah, the good ol' speeding analogy. Always seems to pop up when the topic is following park rules...

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"Yes if by crestfallen you mean KILL US!" -- Homer J. Simpson

I don't believe anyone should be allowed to smoke at parks. Its makes a bad impression on the park when about the only smell you smell is cigarette smoke! Remember second-hand smoke is just as bad as actually smoking a cigarette!

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"Maybe I ain't so shy!"

*** This post was edited by The Shy One on 2/27/2001. ***

2hostyl said:
If you're going to quote reports, please do it right. The studies have shown that prolonged exposure to second-hand smoke may cause lung cancer. Unless you were around second-hand smoke on a fairly continual basis, there is no reason to believe that your risk for lung cancer should increase. IMO, the exposure to random smoke in a queue line is not enough to meet the prolonged exposure threshold.
Perhaps you should take your own advice about quoting reports. Here’s a link to one from the Ministry of Health in British Columbia: http://www.moh.hnet.bc.ca/hlthfile/hfile30.html And here’s one from the American Lung Association: http://www.lungusa.org/tobacco/secondhand_factsheet99.html It clearly says, and I quote, “The EPA estimates that secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths and 37,000 heart disease deaths in nonsmokers each year.” Does the risk increase the more you’re exposed? Of course. But I don’t care if it is a one second exposure or a one hour exposure – don’t blow it in my face. I don’t want any of it.

I'm glad that the policy is in place for those non-smokers who feel threatend by the specter of 2nd hand smoke.
Maybe you’d like to tell the families of the 40,000 people who die each year that second-hand smoke is a “specter.”

As I said before, the bottom line is that the smokers are the ones violating the personal space of the non-smokers. If I spit in your face, throw my drink in your face, cough right in your face, it’s the same thing.
*** This post was edited by RagingBull on 2/27/2001. ***

As for cell phones and beepers, as far as I can tell while you are at the park riding rollercoasters that these are simply just things people do not need. If you are a doctor or something and have a safe device to carry, whose business is that? That's completely understandable. All I can say is that with as many people as I've seen talking on thier phones (and I'm NOT talking about those park rental radios) and playing with things that could vary easily fall from a ride. As far as your comment towards me, Legendary, what was that?

Where do you people go that you have folk walking around blowing smoke in your faces? It sounds like some of you look for smokers to run in front of so you'll have something to complain about. Either that or minor altercations have been amplified for effect. Not saying that it doesn't happen or anything.

I respect a person's right to smoke, but smoking in line makes me very angry. It's bad enought having to wait 1-2 hours for a ride, but having someone blowing smoke in your face for that entire time is not something I respect. it is rude and discourtious.

SROS221, you claim that "the ride ops and security guards usually force them to put it out." Really? I can assume you've never been to SFGAm, and the parks you do attend must do a much better job at enforcing basic rules. The most "enforcement" I've ever heard or seen at a park is someone saying over the speakers in the line that smoking is not allowed and that people should put the cigarettes out. But do they? Of course not. They know the chances of getting punished in any way are only slightly better than 0%.

I totally agree with p_c_r that a lot of people make smoking in open spaces a much bigger problem than it is. Yeah, it sucks that there are people out there that do that, but it's so much easier to avoid them or just not worry about it. Sometimes people hate stuff and just look for reasons to get mad about it, and that just makes them more unhappy.

I also agree that carrying cell phones and pagers and stuff around is dumb. I mean, how pathetic are people that they can't stand to be away from a phone for a day? Personally I see time at a park as MY leisure time, and I don't want people being able to interrupt that. And I don't understand why someone would want to just call someone else during their visit. The fact that those folks can find nothing better to do, even while waiting in a queue line, is kinda sad to me. But hey, cell phones don't hurt anyone and aren't worth getting upset over. They just cause some of us to laugh and be happy we're not like that.

Almost all of us obviously agree that smoking in line sucks and shouldn't happen. As for smoking in general though, I've never been a smoker but I'll stand with p_c_r in that people should just lighten up about it. There are simple things we can do to avoid smoke, so it's not all the smoker's fault when someone gets up in arms about breathing it.

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p_c_r said:
"As for cell phones and beepers, as far as I can tell while you are at the park riding rollercoasters that these are simply just things people do not need. If you are a doctor or something and have a safe device to carry, whose business is that? That's completely understandable. All I can say is that with as many people as I've seen talking on thier phones (and I'm NOT talking about those park rental radios) and playing with things that could vary easily fall from a ride. As far as your comment towards me, Legendary, what was that?"

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It seems to me that you haven't thought this argument out much. Getting upset that people are using cell phones?! In no way does that harm your health! This thread wasn't about what annoys you in line. It was about smoking in line. Smoking in line can cause health problems to people who aren't even smoking. When has a cell phone caused a problem to another person while waiting in line?

I myself bring my cell phone everywhere I go. Did you not realize that people (like me) may use their cell phones to meet up with friends or family elsewhere in the park? I bet that didn't even cross your mind. I also don't see how someone could find cell phones annoying but not those loud walkie-talkies things. C'mon, you can HEAR the entire conversation on those! If you were against those too, then I misunderstood, and apologize in advance.

Also, you're right about cell phones being able to fall from a ride, but that is SO not what we're discussing! We're discussing smoking in the ride queue lines. Having a cell phone fall on a ride is just searching for something to say, and really doesn't relate to this thread.

Where do you people go that you have folk walking around blowing smoke in your faces? It sounds like some of you look for smokers to run in front of so you'll have something to complain about.

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