Jeff: is that the guy modeling the CB t-shirts? and you're right, most WWF fans aren't rednecks nor could they support a theme park. but tell me that if the next time you went to a Paramount park and it had a WWF themed section that you wouldn't ride whatever coaster was in there.
that's the point. an entire park couldn't be supported, but the I don't think that the GP would mind if one area was themed to wrestling. after all, the GP are the ones that are going to be supporting the park/area, not us and not wrestling fans.
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There is no way Wrestling is for Red Necks Chicago and New York are wrestlings biggest markets and they are city people not rednecks. About them starting a park I think they could do it for a simple reason, alot of people don't go to parks because of the kind of park it is. For example I don't go to Six Flags to see Bugs Bunny so alot of people wouldn't care that a park was ran by WWF as long as the park had good rides and people could have a great day at anybody would go regardless of who the park is run by. I for one am a huge wrestling fan and I am a wrestler for indy federations around IL but I wouldn't go to a WWF park just because I am a fan of the WWF. I would make up my mind weather or not to go to the park based on the rides they have there and how much fun I could have there. Bottom line if they built a good park it would succeed, just like any other good park. -----------------
If this park was built it would work. I was at a WWF show back in April and there was a seven year old kid right behind me with his mother yelling things that I won't say in these forums. A lot of parents let their children watch these shows, they think that their children know fact from fiction. And wheater these kids do know fact from fiction or not, the parents will still let them go to the park. I think it should be built, it should go a little light on the theming however, but if you notice, the only things that are really show violence are when they are wrestling and when they are speaking, which would rarely be done if at all at this amusement park. Like I said before, if it was placed and managed right, than it would suceed. And I still can not comprehend why anybody would be against this idea. It would be a NEW AMUSEMENT PARK for crying-out-loud. I would personally love any type of new park in Colorado, where we only have two parks, whereas in California or in Ohio you have almost too many.
This topic is exactly the kind of thing I've been talking about... people don't understand that differences in opinion are not claims that "you suck" on one hand, and on the other hand, some of you confuse the issue with things that don't even factor into the opinions expressed.
This has nothing to do with whether or not I or anyone else would ride these things. You're clouding the discussion with a non-issue. Of course I'd ride, that isn't the point. The point is that a WWF theme park on any kind of reasonable scale is not one that is family friendly, and non-family friendly amusement parks can't survive. If your mom wouldn't be interested, the park wouldn't survive.
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A wrestling amusement park would kill itself. You couldn't name a ride after the majority of superstars. Why, well I've been a loyal wrestling fan for over 15 years now. Do you know how many "superstars" I've seen come and go. Lets take our good old friend Brett Hart. Lets imagine in 1996 WWF opened a Theme Park and for some reason they named a coaster "The Heart Attack" or "Sharpshooter" now some wrestling fans know what happened to good old Brett in November of 97 right. Brett Harts contract with the WWF was up in October and Bret didn't want to lose the title in his hometown on PPV. So he made a deal with Vince to lose it the next night on RAW. Of course, during the live PPV when Shawn Michaels had Brett Hart in a submission hold, the ref rang the bell and awarded the belt to Shawn and fled the arena. Brett Hart went to WCW to become a joke and retired as a broken man after getting embarrassed in real life.....So whats the moral of this story.
Stars come and go, the lifespan on the names of these coasters wouldn't last, because of how fast these stars come and go. It wouldn't be wise business move at all to name a coaster after a wrestler who might be in the limelight for 6 months at most.
hehehe...and now Earl can't go to Canada. but, using the Hart example, if they named the ride the Sharpshooter then it could become Rock's ride or any other superstar that uses that as a main move. moves change hands all the time. as Benoit said on a recent episode of Heat, he doesn't have a trademark on the three german suplexes so there's nothing he could do when Angle started using them. say there was a ride called the german suplex and Benoit didn't recover from his injury then it could become Angle's ride.
or take the example of Hurler. still a good name for a coaster in or out of the WW theme. you could call a ride The Last Ride, The Rattlesnake, The Game, etc. as long as the themes are generalized, they can be changed around if the origional superstar leaves or is injured. they could also be made to be more family friendly and cater to those outside of the wrestling community. now if that happened then the park could survive, but the problem is that people won't know that its for everyone and not just for fans.
the other problem is the stigma that comes with being a fan. as we have seen in this topic alone, people still perceive wrestling to be something for rednecks. although the company is much more public and much more accepted, there is still a ways to go before wrestling fans are treated as what they are...normal people who like something.
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Anybody who thinks this park would work just because wrestling has a huge fanbase is wrong. We're talking about a single park, not a chain. That would mean that people from outside of the immediate area where that park is located would have to plan a trip to go there. How many people do you think would really travel anything over a couple of hours to go to a WWF park? Yeah, there would be your enthusiasts that would go to ride the rides, and it would probably draw a decent take from the area, IF there wasn't any competition. But a kid begging his parents to go to "wherever" to visit the WWF park won't get his wish. What family is going to base their vacation around a wrestling park? Not many.
On the other hand, I do think a section of a park would work. And if I was already at the park I would ride whatever they offered. BUT I will not go to a park based entirely on wrestling.
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So Incidentilist what your basically saying is that if a park is not part of a chain it can't succeed? There are plenty of parks that aren't in a chain of parks and they do fine, this park like any new park would probally start off small. I for one do think people would travel to this park if they built one just like they would any other park, not just because its WWF but because its a park. And yes Wrestling fans most likely would travel to the park especialy if the WWF held events at it. Look at WrestleMania this year in Texas people came from all over the world to see that so what makes people think they wouldn't come from all over to see the park and possibly a show at the park. -----------------
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How many parks rely on people travelling great distances? The Disney, Busch and Universal parks and CP (which doesn't necessarily rely on these people, but packs them in nonetheless). Am I missing any? Most parks are regional parks and rely for the immediate surrounding area to completely support the park, hence smaller parks in smaller cities aren't as big as parks located near major metropolitan areas. So if one WWF park is built, where would it go. I guarantee that it's location will be the biggest factor in this parks survival. It would have to be built somewhere in the vacinity of other parks that draw family vacationers. It's easy to say that people will travel great distances to go to this park but are you really going to travel across several states for a WWF park? Sure people on here would, and would also hit 4-5 parks on the way. But generally most people don't go to any parks other than the regional ones and "known" vacation destinations. If it held large wrestling matches it could boost attendance for that weekend or whatever, but if that is what the park is relying on to survive, good luck.
I never implied that just because a park isn't a chain it couldn't survive. BUT if it doesn't cater to families it wouldn't. Name one small park, or any for that matter, that doesn't cater to families. Lot's of people HATE wrestling, but how many hate Disney, Bugs Bunny, Nickelodeon, etc... Now I don't necessarily watch anything on Nick or even see many Disney movies, but they are a non-threatening subject matter that appeals to the masses. Every park has something that caters to children. Sure rides could be built around wrestling themes, but come on two muscular, sweaty guys isn't really what a child is interested in. Which reminds me to ponder why so many men like to watch two big sweaty men grappling each other in something they already know is staged, hmmmm.
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Its more then 2 sweaty guys grappling. If this were the 80's style wrestling, I wouldnt even be watching it. What sucks me into this form of entertainment is the theatrics, the pyrotechnics, the catch phrases, the women(obvious), and the overall electricity that goes with todays wrestling. The moves and risks that these wrestlers take today is just phenominal. When they create a great storyline you just get addicted and want to come back for more.
This is just my personal opinion, but we all have to realize that what we have going here(being coaster addicts), to alot of people is completely stupid. Alot of the GP think we are nuts for fantasizing, analyzing, and worshiping trains that run on a track. We all have our fetishes and hope that other people respect it.
As far as a WWF theme park? Anything is possible. If Vince could team up with someone that has been in the amusement park business for awhile, then I say go for it! I know for a fact that if he built one in New York it would take off quickly. Paramount should capatalize on having the rights to WWF products and create small themed areas in their parks geared around the WWF product. It couldnt hurt.
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yes, I'd go into a WWF themed AREA to ride a good coaster, but I would be vocal about my disgust over the theme. It'd be like ripping off a band-aid quickly, get in and get out.
you guys are killing me.....the RISKS they take?? Please, Chitown....you said it yourself, it's theatrical....choreographed, practiced, and staged. They are in a ring with a floor that has as much give as a mattress.
I'm not frightened of the WWF demographic because I think it's redneck, I'm afraid of ALL of the WWF fans regardless of where they live. Especially the families that teach this crap to their children. The mother of the 7 year old in the earlier post is a great example. Wonder how that kid will turn out? Have you people not seen enough crap on the news and Springer about kids who think this stuff is real and re-create it in their backyards only to get hurt? duh.
Incidentalist: I have to agree with your last sentence......oh yeah, right......they're watching it for the women. Yeah, the same way Hooters is about OWLS......
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live4mf: there's nothing wrong with getting in and out of an area quickly, but please don't bash the theming before its even created. for all you know it could be the best and family-oriented theming in the park. I'm not denying the fact that the possibility of it being very crude aren't there, but whoever owns the park will probably want to keep it for families and, therefore, tone down the stuff that the WWF might want to put in there.
as for your little rant about the "fakeness" of wrestling, let me tell you that its not choreographed. while the outcomes may be fixed, the wrestling isn't. and the ring isn't as soft as one might think. Mick Foley was thrown off the top of a cell through a table and was then chokeslamed through the cage down to the mat. it was the second fall that knocked him out. it isn't as forgiving as you think. (I'm sorry if this is violating TOS, please remove it if it is)
as for why people would watch it and also come to a park themed around it, its because its entertainment. its no different than watching Star Trek and then wanting to go to ST: The Experience. why do people watch wrestling? the real question should be, why do people watch anything else? we like to be entertained and some people are entertained by the daring feats that the men and women of the WWF and other promotions do. they are captivated by the unique storylines. Vince said it best in Beyond the Mat, "We make movies." and as we've seen, some movies provide for great themes in parks. why not add another theme that families wouldn't mind experiencing and that would draw fans?
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my "little rant" as you so charmingly call it, stems from comments made in earlier posts. Many people in this thread (who are WWF fans) have made similar comments.....read back if you don't believe me.
I love how you ignore the reality in the rest of my post and only address my opinion.
as for "the real question, why do people watch anything else?" maybe we're afraid watching the WWF will suck I.Q. points out of our heads.
want daring feats? go to the circus
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I've skipped around reading this thread, and I guess the time has come: "BAD business move"...whether or not you like wrestling, whether or not you believe it's real (it's not), whether or not you make the mistake of "profiling" those who watch wrestling, it all doesn't matter. What DOES matter is that you could NEVER make money on this park...you have to draw from the WIDEST possible demographic, and this park concept would not do that...costs millons, LOTS of them, to start a park. But I would LOVE to do some tongue-in-cheek theming for the joint, anyway....just can't post my ideas here in public for fear of a conflagration... ----------------- PoTP acolyte - remove fear to reply Son of Drop Zone - PKI CoasterCamp I Champions!!!
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live4MF, i guess its just a matter of opinion. A WWF theme park would be interesting and a good theme park, if the rides were properly done. I am sure the rides would be aimed at more of an aged audience (teenager and up), since that is more of the WWF's demographic. After all, Disney took a theme and aimed it at little kids... and spawned numerous successful parks.