Would CP ever remove another coaster??

Friday, December 6, 2002 7:11 PM
I really wonder if CP really is all that concerned about the coaster count! What if the GP loses interest in a coaster for example Mean Streak? Is BS ridden by more people than MS because its more smooth and have airtime? While BS has some airtime I only think its average or slightly above avarage but easily the best of the 2 CP woodies IMHO! Gemini is a good ride but it's not a woodie! To build a steelie you don't need much space and the have less footings and supports than a classic woodie. A maintenance worker @ VF one time told me that he felt that VF was much more likely buid an inverted than a woodie because it would be much more easier to build on top of other rides than a woodie. Now back to what I was saying I personally don't think CP is that concerned about who has the most coaster nor do I think that CP would get their panties in a knot if they feel they had to removed a costly to maintain unpopular coaster for a superior coaster! (Ie; remove MS for an Intamin dueling coaster)! I do believe CP will keep what they can until the park get too crowded but sooner or later something will have to be removed beside smaller rides. Let face it I think the reason the space issue has been brought up so many times is the lack of VACANT UNUSED land.
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Friday, December 6, 2002 8:55 PM
I think they would loser a "lessor" coaster if they really needed the room, but it won't happen soon. And probably not Mean Streak... the one I could alway see going first would be Corkscrew, then Iron Dragon.

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Friday, December 6, 2002 9:05 PM
If it made sense from a business standpoint, of course they would remove one. My gut tells me that Disaster Transport is the first one on the chopping block.
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Friday, December 6, 2002 9:08 PM
Ooooh yeah, forgot about that one totally. ID and CScrew are probably safe for at least a while... but DT almost seems like it's on borrowed time.

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Friday, December 6, 2002 9:09 PM

I don't think they'd remove anything anytime soon, but you have to think that it's inevitable in the future - and not due to space concerns. Think of it from the park's point of view - ridership and draw (attraction). Once technology and the industry in general advances far enough to make existing rides obsolete, then it may be time to remove some of the oldest (think the old shuttle loops that have slowly disappeared from park across the country). Once a ride doesn't generate interest and becomes more costly to keep operating than it would be to just remove it, then you'll see a coaster disappear (Drachen Fire ring a bell?). Right now CP doesn't have anything even close to either situation. I'm far from a CP expert, but I've been there quite a few times and the only ride that even remotely comes within a mile of meeting those criteria is possibly Corkscrew - the lines seem a little shorter with each passing year and even then, I doubt it's even a consideration at this point that removing the ride makes more sense finacially than leaving it.

Will they eventually remove a coaster? Obviously. Will it be anytime soon? Not even close.

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Friday, December 6, 2002 9:22 PM

In addition, CS doesn't really take up a lot of space that would be otherwise useful, it's half over the sidewalk as is.....and that's sort of a signature ride too, straight down the midway. Isn't is also the first 3-inversion ride? That's a lot to take out, unless it becme quite unpopular and costly to maintain...DT *does* seem more logical I guess, but doesn't it have a lower height limit (meaning smaller kids can ride)...

Forever is a LONG time, sure they *will*, probably not anytime soon...It would be GREAT to see a "new and improved" MS though....;)

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Friday, December 6, 2002 9:51 PM
Oh, I agree that it probably won't happen for a few years at least. However, with the arrival of Wicked Twister, the Oceana area has been somewhat revitalized. DT sits on what appears to be a nice open plot of land, and if CP wants to continue growth in that area, removing it gives them all sorts of options.

Of course that would kill a family (sort of) coaster, and considering CP's short supply of those already, I would be surprised to see its removal before additional family rides were already in place. Maybe they could use DT's land for that junior woodie Playa' keeps talking about.

Yes, we all know that CP does not have a space problem, but the fact that DT has been rather neglected (special effects-wise at least) and that to many it has become almost a joke, its plot of land seems destined for something better.

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Friday, December 6, 2002 10:40 PM

Yeah, but again, look at it from a park point of view - DT draws riders. I still don't even think it's close.

I'm 29 - I'd bet with great confidence that I'll be able to ride all 16 coasters that are currently there when I'm 40. Probably much longer. It's not going to happen in a time frame that anyone here could really consider "soon".

To tie this in with another thread currently going here:

They'll get to 20 long before they take one out.

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Saturday, December 7, 2002 5:04 AM

Lord Gonchar said:

They'll get to 20 long before they take one out.

Bingo. They haven't taken anything out since Jumbo Jet, and that was a LONG time ago. They're probably the only major park to not take a coaster out in the last 25 years.

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Saturday, December 7, 2002 5:08 AM

Savaq said:

Yes, we all know that CP does not have a space problem, but the fact that DT has been rather neglected (special effects-wise at least)



Did you ride it this year with the star fields?

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Saturday, December 7, 2002 5:14 AM
it seems for the first time n years the special effects were some what working on DT. Taking out a roller coaster in the near future would be a big mistake for CP. wioth the competition from Magic Mountain why would they want to ruin thier competitive edge?
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Saturday, December 7, 2002 5:18 AM

Please use proper grammar and spelling, CoasterFreak1.

The competition between SFMM and CP is non existant.

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Saturday, December 7, 2002 5:19 AM
how do you figure?
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Saturday, December 7, 2002 5:23 AM

Because two parks thousands of miles away from each other don't share the same audience, that's how he figures.

Cedar Point does not have a space problem.(TM)

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Saturday, December 7, 2002 5:27 AM

I don't see what everyone doesn't like about DT. I think it's a good ride, and to be honest, I would be upset to see it go. If they put me in charge to demolish one coaster there, I would take out Mantis. But that's my personal opinion. The thing with Mantis is the capacity is somewhat low because they constantly stack trains, and the ride itself is only mediocre. I've only been on it three times, and it hurt all three of them. Actually, instead of taking it out, if they just put a floorless train in I would ride it so much more.

Unfortunately though, what everyone saying here about DT being the next one out looks as if that's true. I like the idea of a junior woodie, and to be honest, I wouldn't mind if they took out DT at the end of a season and opened a junior woodie that goes into the parking lot at the beginning of the next season. Who knows what they'll do next?

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Saturday, December 7, 2002 7:01 AM

It makes more sense to me to remove Iron Dragon. It sits on a nice sized plot of land and if that is gone it will have easy access to Millennium Island which will give more room to build. Iron Dragon has no marketability. Mean Streak still has a little. They can still can MS "One of the tallest wooden coasters in the world" because it is still only the fourth tallest in the world.

Iron dragon has none. If they take that out they would have tons of room for a new ride. But the thing is. They don't need to take anything down yet. They still have room the build major attractions for a while.

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Saturday, December 7, 2002 7:24 AM
I personally would see them taking out Wildcat before any other ride there. Which I agree will be many years down the road.

I also see them replacing the coaster they take out with a new coaster that same year, in order to somewhat mask the disaperance of that coaster.

One coold thing about CP is how they take care of every one of their coasters. The old and the new. Those rides will be around for quite awhile. Oh, and I'm still waiting for a new thrilling flat ride back in Frontiertown...not that the Swans aren't thrilling or anything ;)

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Saturday, December 7, 2002 7:28 AM

RollerCoasterGod, I have to disagree with you on the removal of Wildcat. The coaster is on a VERY small plot of land, and there isn't any new and big coaster that could be put in the same spot as Wildcat. The only thing that could make Wildcat be removed is for serious maintenance issues or no one riding it.

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Saturday, December 7, 2002 7:47 AM
I totally agree Nessy, with the small plot of land thing...I'm not really looking at land being the cause of removal. I think WildCat more for reliability, structure, and safety. If it were land, I'd say Corkscrew that way you could clear up land to build more outward with a little moving around of some buildings right there (but that would also remove the signature corkscrews over the midway). I just say WildCat because I think that ride would be the least one missed by the normal Peeps, even though I love that ride. I see CP sooner moving that ride around the park than ever having to totally remove it.

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Saturday, December 7, 2002 7:47 AM
I never once said I didn't like DT. In fact I think it's goofy good fun. But that doesn't change my opinion that it's a good candidate for removal. Sure maybe it had "star fields" this year, but I'd hardly call a few lights good special effects. Maybe I've been spoiled too much by Disney trips.

But anyway, I do think it's probably safe for a few years at least. Though it seems that most of you think it's got a long life left in it. I wouldn't be surprised to see it gone in less than 10 years. I have no facts to back that up; it's just a hunch. Just think how great that area could look though with a waterfront woodie instead of that big ugly building.

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