World's Largest Loop?

/\ I think this topic is strictly covering vertical loops, if I'm not mistaken, otherwise the topic and all discussion matter would revolve around "World's largest inversion."

And yes, at 124-feet high, Tatsu's pretzel loop is pretty damn big. That's just as high as the vertical loop on The Riddler's Revenge, which was the largest at opening. Now apparently, the loop diamater war is now between Krypton Coaster and Dominator. Somebody just needs to break into Walter Bolliger's office and say - "Look, I'm just here for a quick question then I'm leaving, please don't call security, okay here goes, which of your coasters has the bigger loop, the Floorless coaster in San Antonio or Aurora?"

Yeah, I wasn't quite sure if the topic was strictly about vertical loops, or if the discussion just ended up being mainly about them because they are usually the largest inversion.

I read the topic a while back, but wasn't in the mood to read tonite. ;) *** Edited 11/18/2005 8:30:00 AM UTC by MrX***

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kRaXLeRidAh said:
You know, if Superman Krypton Coaster and Dominator were people and not coasters in life, this debate would be equivelant to them as two football players in the football locker room comparing the size of their dicks. At the end, the accomplishment attained by the winner is overshadowed by the realization that the act of comparison was stupid and pointless to begin with.

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Why is that someone always has to chime in with the "I don't care message." Obviously with five pages of discussion someone does care. As I mentioned almost a year ago, I happen to like coaster trivia. The only thing I find pointless and stupid is the name calling, and ridiculous analogies.

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kRaXLeRidAh said:
Somebody just needs to break into Walter Bolliger's office and say - "Look, I'm just here for a quick question then I'm leaving, please don't call security, okay here goes, which of your coasters has the bigger loop, the Floorless coaster in San Antonio or Aurora?"

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Talking to Bob Mampe at the IAPPA booth is not good enough for you? I'm sure he knows just as much about the coasters than either Claude or Walter. Especially the two installations in question.

I guess some people will never be satisfied.

*** Edited 11/18/2005 3:42:43 PM UTC by Jeffrey Seifert***

I mean, really, if you take a good hard look at a photo of SKC from far away, you can tell the loop has to be in the 140-145 ft range. Thats why earlier in this topic, I was supportive of SKC having the largest while the park does not seem to claim it.

Look, the lift tops out somewhere around 170ft. The top of that loop comes relatively close to the top of the lift, there is no way it was 115 or whatever people were saying a year ago.

The verdict is in, the topic is done, SKC wins the race.

Um...no, it's really not.

I've ridden both, and I'm pretty sure I was screaming through SKC's loop faster than Dominator's. Yes, Dominator's lift height is slightly smaller, but not enough to account for a major difference. I believe them when they say that SKC's is 116 or so, and I believe the 135-foot height for Dominator's. If not because the books say so, the forces say so.

SKC far from "screams" through the loop. It definitely provides "hanging air" at the top, which is delivered when the train slows down considerably, and riders fall against their headrests.

Ive ridden both SKC and BFK numerable times and I can vouch that while BKF certainly "screams" through its loop, SKC far from performs the same way.

Its an argument that is really pointless it seems, bc the missing variable is that I think the park has misreported their height. Even when someone representing B&M vouches that the loop height is indeed the tallest people still come to argue. It will never die, but Ill always be a believer.

Even IF S:KC didn't have the biggest loop (I'm *inclined* to believe a B&M employee, but that's just me, LOL)....it's still FAR and away the best of breed.

Both S:KC and "Batmaninator" blow the DOORS off of Kraken, though...;)

A few posts back someone said they called the park and was told 148 feet. It is unfortunate that many people are relying on the information presented in the original press release that states the loop is 114 feet. It was obviously a typo. The park says its wrong, B&M says its wrong.

Sirloindude, I think you have your coasters mixed up. I've ridden Krypton probably close to 100 times and it always provides serious hang time in the loop.

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rollergator said:
Both S:KC and "Batmaninator" blow the DOORS off of Kraken, though...

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Blasphemy!

Batmaninator is my least favorite floorless while Kraken remains one of my favorite coasters (of all types).

Well, I'll be fair. I rode Dominator 85 times this past season. SKC was August of '04, for a total of 7 rides. Perhaps I should have inserted this:

Legal Disclaimer: Sirloindude acknowledges the possible inaccuracy of said claim that SKC travels through its loop faster than Dominator's, but would be emotionally crushed to find out that his favorite looping roller coaster indeed did not have the world's tallest loop.

Either way, I've been on the world's tallest loop, so what do I care?

I think ya'll are *suckered* by the BEAUTY of Kraken....it is a GORGEOUS coaster, hard to take a bad picture of it. In the land of Beemers though, it doesn't really stand out from the likes of Fire Dragon, Montu, or Kumba...FWIW, it does beat out Hulk and Ice, which to me is the worst inverted other than great white...OF the Beemers... ;)

But for the RIDE, I love everything that S:KC does, it's the only Beemer I would put up against TG:TJC, and I wore that thing OUT during ERT... :)

The Ohio floorless, though, has a lot of twisty turn high-g non-inverted portions of track, I *love* those areas....like the part on Montu where it nears the queue, or that place on Talon, or GA Scorcher....B&M does really nice floats on the "boring" trackwork...LOL!

Here's a question just to annoy everyone...if the LOOP itself is smaller on an inverted, but the RIDER makes a larger *loop* with their heartline (or even head), does that in fact count as a larger loop? Why should *we* look at the steel itself, shouldn't we be more concerned with where WE are?

;)

^Bill, you scare me sometimes. :-) No more *happy* brownies for you tonight. lol.

-Tina

Heh. "The Ohio Floorless."

Is that now the official non-official name?

I know that this is off topic, and diameter is being discussed,but the top hat on the Batman side of Batman and Robin the Chiller is 139 feet.

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Michael Darling said:
Heh. "The Ohio Floorless."

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LOL John, at least that way no matter who owns the park, we can always keep the same name! :)

Until PKI builds a floorless..

..oh wait, that's right.. that darn no-compete clause!

Are people really *bothered* by the vibrations on the floorlesses? SFNE's and GL's and SFMM's all have that, as did even Hydra this year, but I don't think they're enough to "seriously detract" from the ride...

Noticeable, yes, problematic, not really. OK, maybe a little bit in those darn flatspins... ;)
Most.Overused.Element.EVAR!

Admittedly, I've only ridden 3 Floorlesses (Hydra, Medusa @ GAdv, Scream @ MM) but the only one I noticed it bumpy was on Medusa.

gator - count me in for the detract-no, noticeable-yes crowd. The only way I can describe it is to imagine riding a wooden ride that was as smooth as steel (something I've experienced on SFGAm's Viper). It's actually distracting when a ride that is supposed to have some bumps is buttery smooth. And I'd say the opposite is true, as well.

To me, Hulk has a vastly more interesting layout than Kraken, but I still prefer Kraken because it was like floating on a cushion of air, and Hulk had a distinct vibration.

What were we talking about again? Oh yeah...