Why is Talon getting so much attention?

Thursday, November 23, 2000 5:22 PM
Okay first off I am not downing this coaster. I can see the hype for things like Millennium Force and Project Stealth but why is this one getting so much attention. It isn't the tallest or fastest. It doesn't have the most inversions. It doesn't have different inversions so why is it so popular

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Number 1 And Only Cedar Point *** This post was edited by Jephry on 11/24/2000. ***
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Thursday, November 23, 2000 5:40 PM
Maybe it just looks like a really fun ride and BTW Stealth did not suck.
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Thursday, November 23, 2000 7:07 PM
Hey Jephry, I have noticed in alot of your posts that CP is the only park that matters and all others are not worth the time. This post just proves my point. Please stop being one track minded. Thankyou.

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"DONT FIGHT IT, RIDE IT",,,,RAGING BULL
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Thursday, November 23, 2000 7:14 PM
One of the best inverted rides I've been on is Batman at SFGAm. I don't care that it's small or has seven hundred "clones," it's just a great ride.

Talon could be the next great design. Its layout is a sort of mix between Raptor and the Batman clones, but small enough to fit anywhere.

Anyone who thinks that a ride has to break a record to be world class hasn't been on enough rides to make that call. Ask anyone who has been on a small CCI or a shorter B&M.

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Jeff
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Thursday, November 23, 2000 9:05 PM
I am a Dorney fan through and through, so I guess you can say I am biased, but there are plenty of reasons to hype this coaster. I will state the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
1.) It is a B&M inverted coaster. What is there not to like to this? Speed, smoothness, and one wicked layout will make this an extremely enjoyable ride.
2.) Inversions don't make the ride. You cannot find yourself being narrow minded and not liking the ride because it does not have as many inversions as Raptor or Alpengiest. The twist and turns that will be part of this unique ride will ensure plenty of disorientation.
3.) Records do not make the ride. When I first became an enthusiast and had no clue of what I was talking about, I would base my opinions souly on the stats. A ride does not have to be tall, fast, and monumental to be good. An just to let you know, it will be the longest, tallest, fastest inverted coaster in the Northeast when it opens.
4.) This is a gigantic step for a medium sized park like Dorney. We are not talking about CP, PKI, or MM. This is a smaller amusement facility that is taking a big step in the right direction. The ride is slated to cost several millions more than Steel Force, which is a world class coaster.
5.) Shouldn't we as enthusiast try to hype every coaster? YES!!!! We love the rides. We should get as excited as possible and love each and every aspect of the rides. I understand some nitpicking based on preferences, but no matter what, you should get off a coaster with a smile on your face and a skip in your step.
6.) Uniqueness. You are looking at a totally original ride. Although the inversions might be similar to Great Bear, the ride will be in a league of it's own. The way in which it will interact with the new midway (crossing over it at three different spots) will be extremely cool.
7.) You can learn a lot from this coaster. Even though MF had a webcam last year, you have the chance琀漀 猀攀攀 琀栀椀猀 洀攀琀愀氀氀椀挀 戀攀愀猀琀 戀攀 攀爀攀挀琀攀搀 琀栀椀猀 眀椀渀琀攀爀⸀  夀漀甀 挀愀渀 氀漀漀欀 愀琀 琀栀攀 戀氀甀攀瀀爀椀渀琀猀 漀昀 琀栀攀 昀漀漀琀攀爀猀 愀渀搀 猀琀攀攀氀 猀攀挀琀椀漀渀猀 愀猀 眀攀氀氀⸀  一漀琀 洀愀渀礀 瀀愀爀欀猀 最漀 琀栀椀猀 昀愀爀 椀渀搀攀瀀琀栀 眀栀攀渀 椀琀 挀漀洀攀猀 琀漀 爀椀搀攀 挀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀⸀  吀栀攀 瀀愀最攀猀 漀渀 琀栀攀 眀攀戀猀椀琀攀 愀爀攀 瀀爀攀琀琀礀 洀甀挀栀 搀攀搀椀挀愀琀攀搀 琀漀 琀栀攀 攀搀甀挀愀琀椀漀渀 漀昀 爀漀氀氀攀爀 挀漀愀猀琀攀爀 挀漀渀猀琀爀甀挀琀椀漀渀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 琀栀愀渀欀椀渀最 琀栀攀 攀渀琀栀甀猀椀愀猀琀 昀漀爀 琀栀攀椀爀 栀攀氀瀀⸀  䔀洀戀爀愀猀攀 椀琀⸀   㰀戀爀㸀㠀⸀⤀  䄀渀搀 昀椀渀愀氀氀礀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 挀漀愀猀琀攀爀 椀猀 愀渀漀琀栀攀爀 漀渀攀 琀漀 愀搀搀 琀漀 礀漀甀爀 氀椀猀琀⸀   㰀戀爀㸀䤀 氀漀瘀攀 䐀漀爀渀攀礀⸀  䤀 眀椀氀氀 氀漀瘀攀 吀愀氀漀渀⸀  䤀渀 洀礀 漀瀀椀渀椀漀渀Ⰰ 琀栀椀猀 椀猀 猀漀洀攀琀栀椀渀最 瘀攀爀礀 猀瀀攀挀椀愀氀 愀渀搀 䤀 眀漀渀✀琀 戀攀 琀栀攀 猀氀椀最栀琀攀猀琀 戀椀琀 猀甀爀瀀爀椀猀攀搀 琀漀 猀攀攀 椀琀 猀漀愀爀 琀漀 琀栀攀 琀漀瀀 漀昀 洀愀渀礀 攀渀琀栀甀猀椀愀猀琀 氀椀猀琀猀⸀  夀漀甀 挀愀渀 栀愀琀攀 琀栀攀 挀漀愀猀琀攀爀Ⰰ 䤀 攀砀瀀攀挀琀 椀琀 昀爀漀洀 琀栀攀 䠀攀爀猀栀攀礀 瀀攀漀瀀氀攀⸀  䤀渀 挀漀渀挀氀甀猀椀漀渀 琀栀漀甀最栀Ⰰ 琀栀攀爀攀 愀爀攀 瀀氀攀渀琀礀 漀昀 爀攀愀猀漀渀猀 琀漀 栀礀瀀攀 琀栀椀猀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 愀渀礀 漀琀栀攀爀 挀漀愀猀琀攀爀⸀  䐀漀渀✀琀 戀攀 渀愀爀爀漀眀ⴀ洀椀渀搀攀搀Ⰰ 愀渀搀 攀渀樀漀礀⸀
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Friday, November 24, 2000 3:30 AM
It will be a GOOD coaster. A little short, but WHO cares! Usually the short ones can be much better than the long ones. Personallly, I think the tight turn after the immelmen is going ot be WICKED! Too bad I will probably won't get to ride it in a while.

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Friday, November 24, 2000 3:31 AM
Chitown wrong. First of all yes most of my post are about Cedar Point but if you think I am going to down any other park, unless I have been to it, you are wrong. Cedar Point is my home park and so most of the time it will be the only thing I talk about. Oh but I could go one to say Dorney Park is crap because it small and things like that, but I don't know I have never been there. I rather comment on what I know than what I don't. All I was doing is wondering why is coaster is getting so much attention. I mean usually, roller coaster that break records or the are just really big get this much excitement not just medium sized coaster like this. I am not going to say it is a bad design because its not. Its about time we are not seeing a clone. I got the answer to my question though, thank you. But before you make a point, you better check your facts.

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We got a hater in the house if you see 'em point 'em out!!!
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Friday, November 24, 2000 5:12 AM
Bigger, Faster and B&M usually mean more trim brakes and a less satisying ride. Raptor is a lot longer than Batman but it is not nearly as intense because of the trim station in the middle of the course.
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Friday, November 24, 2000 5:18 AM
What is so good about Talon, it's just like any other coaster!
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Friday, November 24, 2000 5:19 AM
But remember, a lack of a trim means only 1 train on the circuit

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Number 1 And Only Cedar Point
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Friday, November 24, 2000 5:48 AM
inverted_one, the trims on Raptor, and indeed many coasters, exist to get the dispatch interval right and to prevent setups. If you or any other person out there can feel the difference that trimming two or three seconds off of a ride makes, then you're a better person than I.

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Jeff
Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com
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Friday, November 24, 2000 11:03 AM
I agree that bigger does not mean better. The Georgia Scorcher is one of the best coasters I have ever ridden. In my opinion, it is alot more fun than Chang. Which is one of the tallest stand ups in the world.
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Friday, November 24, 2000 11:15 AM
It could also be that it's the ONLY new ride at ANY of the CF:LP parks

CP - Resort, Halloweekends, Fountain
WoF - Camp Snoopy
KBF - "upcharge" Sky coaster
DP - Talon

we still haven't heard from VF yet, but I imagine that they won't get much after Power Tower.

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Friday, November 24, 2000 11:58 AM
If bigger doesn't mean better then why is Millenium Force the best thing since sliced bread (I have not ridden it yet)?

My point is that you kind of need speed and # of inversions for a fun coaster.
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Friday, November 24, 2000 12:05 PM
Millennium Force is the best thing since sliced bread because so many people use illegal drugs now days...
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Friday, November 24, 2000 12:06 PM
It's the best thing since sliced bread because it was the first thing to slice through some invented-round-number of "feet high."

The North Coast needs something to beat their chests about; they can't ride most of the year. ;)

And before anyone goes ballistic, I am a born and raised and devout "North Coaster!"

What will define "great" coasters in the future? Some folks are entrenched in numbers--350, 400 feet? Or is it "drop angle?" If Hypersonic rips at 90 degrees, will it "slice the bread" next? Even if its short or unappealing visually from the ride (after the drop, of course)? Or will it be just the sheer, beasty length of the thing that will make it "great?"

For me, its the entire experience, from the moment you enter the queue, until you finish exiting the ride.

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bukweet FL
"kanwegoagain?"
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Friday, November 24, 2000 12:17 PM
You don't need inversions to have a fun coaster. Not in the least bit. Inversions are the least of my criteria when evaluating a coaster - they simply don't really appeal to me. I would ride S:ROS or Magnum or any good wooden coaster (SoB excepted), none of which have inversions, before I'd go on a coaster primarily because it has a lot of inversions. I'm not saying that being flipped all around and upside down isn't fun - I'm just saying that they don't have to be present for a coaster to be fun.

-Natalie
CP Ride Operations '99-'00
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Friday, November 24, 2000 12:27 PM
I think most of the hype is due to the web cam. Lets face it it's just cool checking back every few hours or every day to see the progress. Although many people won't be getting to Dorney next season to ride it they may just feel the connection with the coaster from the web cam.

Are there any other coaster construction cams up yet?

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Friday, November 24, 2000 12:45 PM
I think the web cam helps, but I think a lot of it just goes to show that Cedar Fair is willing to build inverted in their smaller parks. (IE anything other then the Point)

This gives people who's park is Valleyfair or Worlds of Fun hope that they can expect something other then a standard sit down coaster. (Not to knock Mamba or Wild Thing)

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Randy Hutchinson
You build it, I'll ride it
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Friday, November 24, 2000 12:52 PM
For me there is one word that tells what a coaster must have to be good and the more the better: "Feeling". You have to be able to feel the G's and the speed. I really didn't get this on Alpengeist or Raptor, but Top Gun at Carowinds is incredible as I can actually feel the speed and the G's. The same goes for Volcano, Apollo's Chariot, Magnum, and Millennium Force.
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