Who voted no to a B&M flyer at their park?
LoadedG said:
The question states: DO YOU WANT A B&M FLYER AT YOUR PARK?
YES or NO.
Yes you want the addition of a flyer OR NO, you DO NOT want a ROLLERCOASTER ADDITION AT ALL.
The question was NOT - DO you want a Flyer rather than something else, or first and foremost.
Unless you've ridden one (nobody has) and HATED it, there is no reason to honestly NOT want one.
7.1% of the poll takers are cukoo!
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I've traded in my 2000 Giovanola for a 2002 Arrow X4D
My other car is now an Arrow X4D!
Yeah well I have my opinion and am entitled to it. No, I havn't ridden a B&M flyer but I have ridden a Flyer and it is My HUMBLE opinion that a few of them are enough. The are good rides but I have others I like much more.
Chuck, who has driven over 1000 miles three times in the last year just to ride CCI's.
Kukoo is a person thinks his opinion is the only one who counts like you
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Charles Nungester
167 coasters and hopes to be over 200 by the end of 2002 :)
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"If somebody throws a rock and knocks a man off his donkey, do we say that he's stoned off his ass?
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The word "definitely" is definitely the most misspelled word on the buzz.
Jeremy-
No lambasting here. I hear your argument and understand where you come from. The prospect of TWO flyers at one park IS rather sillyas you and StevWoA point out, and didnt cross my mind. Also, you base your opinion on your experience on an existing flyer. Fair Enough.
Chuck, your final comment is rather offending, as I NEVER claim that MY opinion is the NOLY valid opinion. In fact, most of my posts are factual accounts or completely off-topic. My opinions are usually kept to myself, but I felt it was insane to not want a NEW coaster OF ANY KIND at your park. That's All. If it came across wrong, I apologize. I'll let you slide this time. :)
IMO, The 7.1% who vote that they dont want one ARE cukoo! :)
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I've traded in my 2000 Giovanola for a 2002 Arrow X4D :)
My other car is now an Arrow X4D!
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"The opposite of war isn't peace, its creation," Rent.
LoadedG said:
Jeremy-
No lambasting here. I hear your argument and understand where you come from. The prospect of TWO flyers at one park IS rather sillyas you and StevWoA point out, and didnt cross my mind. Also, you base your opinion on your experience on an existing flyer. Fair Enough.
Chuck, your final comment is rather offending, as I NEVER claim that MY opinion is the NOLY valid opinion. In fact, most of my posts are factual accounts or completely off-topic. My opinions are usually kept to myself, but I felt it was insane to not want a NEW coaster OF ANY KIND at your park. That's All. If it came across wrong, I apologize. I'll let you slide this time.
IMO, The 7.1% who vote that they dont want one ARE cukoo!
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I've traded in my 2000 Giovanola for a 2002 Arrow X4D
My other car is now an Arrow X4D!
Offending huh? Again, You call us 7.1% Cukoo.
Tell you the truth, I'd rather have a Bichee Rocco Flyer but I already have one :)
Chuck, again saying whats wrong with wanting a CCI or a 4D over a B&M flyer? :)
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Charles Nungester
167 coasters and hopes to be over 200 by the end of 2002 :)
I wanted a Radio Flyer.
And also to tick off the people who get worked up over polls.
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Mamoosh said:
I didn't vote, but I would have voted "no" too. Give me wood.
Im with you there bud, I don't know what it is about looping coasters. With some exceptions they are all generally the same. I have to say my favorite looper is FOF followed by Kumba but those are a couple of the few that I make a effort to get too. Now I do love the Intamin Hypers, Maybe because they kinda ride simular to a woodie.
Chuck
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Charles Nungester
167 coasters and hopes to be over 200 by the end of 2002 :)
Yes, Chuck, I felt offended.
My cukoo comment was made tongue-in-cheek to emphasize how "I" feel about the poll.
Your comment was directed straight at ME and challenged my integrity. :(
What's wrong with wanting a CCI or 4D over a B&M flyer you ask?? Absolutley nothing wrong with that at all. I myself would probably prefer either one over a B&M flyer also. My personal favorites are Ghostrider #2 and X #3.
But my argument was that the poll didnt ask if you would PREFER a B&M Flyer OVER a different coaster. "Want one or NOT"? That's all. SteveWoA Intamin Fan and 2Hostyl made valid points as to why they wouldnt want one and I accept their reasonings,
but I STILL think that 7.8% (up from 7.1%) are cukoo! :)
Mr. G, who wouldve rather got a CCI at SFMM instead of Deja Vu, but sure is glad that Deja Vu is there!
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I've traded in my 2000 Giovanola for a 2002 Arrow X4D :)
My other car is now an Arrow X4D!
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Milwaukee Wisconsin, we bring you beer, brats and cheese. But don't be fooled, "Milwaukee truly is a special secret getaway that I will be sure to tell my friends about!" Erin Brockevich, not to mention that we are an hour from SFGAm........
The rides are great, don't get me wrong, but the absolutely insane prices, combined with repetitive layouts, heck, I could probably see just a line for a layout of a B&M and be able to tell that it is a B&M.
If parks are willing to pay what B&M charges for a coaster, then there is no problem. I don't here parks complaining about the cost of B&M's. As far as I can see, parks are eating up B&M's pretty consitently. As for the layouts, that is really more up to the park then the designer itself. If the park wanted a really off the wall layout, B&M will build it.
They need to lower there prices and think of some new ideas instead of taking others.
Whose idea's are they taking? Huh? The stand up concept was an old one, but i don't think they were "stealing" it, and I think we should admire B&M for really perfecting it, anyways. Lets just think about all of the incredible concepts B&M has materialized such as the floorless, the hyper trains, the zero g type loops found on so many rides, the flyers and of course, the BIG one: inverted coasters.
Afterall, other than us coaster folk, I could tell my friends that SFGAm was getting a B&M Flying, or I could tell them they were getting a Vekoma boomerang, and they wouldn't care which is which, they'd just go for the new coaster, the type and "brand" does not make a difference to the common public.
You're right, brand doesn't make a difference to the average Joe, but when parks buy a B&M they aren't just buying a brand. They are buying a coaster that they can be 99% sure that is going to be very popular, and more than likely very popular for at least the next 10 years, and probably more. They're also buying a coaster that is more than likely going to be completely comfortable for their guests, and will also have minimal mechanical problems. I sometimes have negative opinions about the qualities about a very small portion of Beemers, but I will never have a negative opinion about the value of the investment that they provide.
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If the shoe fits, find another one.
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Milwaukee Wisconsin, we bring you beer, brats and cheese. But don't be fooled, "Milwaukee truly is a special secret getaway that I will be sure to tell my friends about!" Erin Brockevich, not to mention that we are an hour from SFGAm........
LoadedG said:
Yes, Chuck, I felt offended.
My cukoo comment was made tongue-in-cheek to emphasize how "I" feel about the poll.
Your comment was directed straight at ME and challenged my integrity.
Well, Im sorry, The poll did not say Do you want a flyer or no coaster at all. I am saying this now that I didn't apreciate the KooKoo comment and I took it as a Insult to those who felt differently than you.
What's wrong with wanting a CCI or 4D over a B&M flyer you ask?? Absolutley nothing wrong with that at all. I myself would probably prefer either one over a B&M flyer also. My personal favorites are Ghostrider #2 and X #3.
Personally Id rank any of my top ten wood over any looping coaster, Next comes SFNE's SROS, Vekomas flyer is nice, It is not something I would marathon on and this in effect dose not mean that B&M flyers won't be good.
But my argument was that the poll didnt ask if you would PREFER a B&M Flyer OVER a different coaster. "Want one or NOT"? That's all. SteveWoA Intamin Fan and 2Hostyl made valid points as to why they wouldnt want one and I accept their reasonings,
My answer is still no and I have given my reason. I have a Flyer 4hrs away and wood is my main preference.
I was not trying to stab you in the back, Just stating that whats wrong with being Kukoo?
but I STILL think that 7.8% (up from 7.1%) are cukoo!
Charles Nungester
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Charles Nungester
167 coasters and hopes to be over 200 by the end of 2002 :)
ravenguy98 said:
"They are buying a coaster that they can be 99% sure that is going to be very popular, and more than likely very popular for at least the next 10 years, and probably more."
Ten years huh? That's a pretty bold statement seeing as though less than a handfull of B&M coasters have even MADE it to ten years. And if you listen to enthusiast talk (which I often Dont) Iron Wolf is one of the least liked B&Ms. Hell, I even hear people complain about the Batman: The Ride coasters. (Blasphemy I tell you).
lata,
jeremy
--who personally finds Vortex @ Carowinds to be B&M's lamest offering...and it turns ten this month (3-14)
I know you love to play devil's advocate Jeremy, but really, those were B&M's first coasters ever. Don't you think they have progressed a lot over the years, and have fine tuned their engineering?
I think the newer B&M's will last a lot longer than Wolf has "lasted."
Look at BTR, they are building TWO this year, a full 10 years after the first one was built! How about that for a great prototype design.
Basically, the way B&M build 'em these days, I think they will last for quite some time.
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"Look for the big black sack of Mofuggin Nuts at your local grocery store". -- Radio ad in FL
Chuck,
You've disappointed me again with your last post!!!!!
You didnt post a funny "Chuck, who....." comment to wrap it up. :)
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I've traded in my 2000 Giovanola for a 2002 Arrow X4D :)
My other car is now an Arrow X4D!
LoadedG said:
Chuck,
You've disappointed me again with your last post!!!!!
You didnt post a funny "Chuck, who....." comment to wrap it up.
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I've traded in my 2000 Giovanola for a 2002 Arrow X4D
My other car is now an Arrow X4D!
Chuck, who if it came down to having a flyer or nothing would take a flyer, But would rather have a CCI, Nungester :) :
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Charles Nungester
167 coasters and hopes to be over 200 by the end of 2002 :)
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