Which way is up on CP #16

I've been to SFNE plenty of times... I can attest to their capacity issues. B:DK stacked literally every train for the 5days that I went this year (not including Media Day). That is unacceptable IMO.

Superman wasn't as bad, and the line moved abit, but was nowhere near the capacity of alot of CP rides. I'm going to take a guess that SROS had probably around 900pph. That isn't that great for a 2 train hyper coaster. The queue on that ride is extremely small compared to many of the CP queues.

I'm going to take another guess here and say that SROS and WT have about the same amount of queue space (with full queues). SROS may have just alittle bit more, but nowhere near the size of Magnum's or Millennium's queue. I do like how the queue is in the shape of the superman S though! I think that is brilliant but alot of people probably don't notice it.

I won't touch any more of SFNE's capacity issues, since this isn't a SFNE thread :).

Btw - Thanks Gator! I'll be in Fl in acouple days and will gladly stop by to pickup the cookie :)

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Corey
"I make it a rule never to get involved with possessed people. Well, it's more of a guideline than a rule." - Dr. Pete Venkman/Bill Murray

I'll tell you which way is up when you get a brain.

*** This post was edited by TWISTED8FORCE on 12/22/2002. ***

Thanks TwistedForce, that really cleared everything up.

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Alright, good post Rollocoast. At least you didnt try to start a bigger war. good job puttng that. When I visited SFNE last year, most of the time they were running 2-3 trains on BTDK, mostly 3. I agree with Superman's queue that it is short, but not the capacity. Superman has very good capacity, when the qualified staff members are on duty hehe

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Sorry man... I don't mean to be an ass but Batman: Dark Knight only has 2 trains.

Superman probably does have a decent capacity with the right operators... although you could say that about alot of SF parks lol! Superman is an amazing ride though.. definitely top 20 material :)

Twisted8Force - I really enjoyed your insite. It has proven to me that it really doesn't matter which side it goes up, as long as it comes down. Thankyou so much for taking your time to teach me "the way".

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"I make it a rule never to get involved with possessed people. Well, it's more of a guideline than a rule." - Dr. Pete Venkman/Bill Murray

Rollocoast: I know for a fact that there are 3 trains on Batman: The Dark Knight. On the second day of the parks operation last year, they were running 3 trains. One would always be on the track, running the circuit, one would be on the block brakes just outside the station, and one loading in the station. I think I may have pictures of the ride with this configuration, but I'll have to go look if I can even find them.

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*** This post was edited by Ultimate Coaster on 12/23/2002. ***

You were definitely hallucinating bro. That ride has no MCBB, nor does it have separate loading and unloading. It runs two trains, or were they so slow you thought it was three

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Maybe he's confusing it with Batman:Knight Flight......

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No Im not hallucinating. The brake run at the end of the ride is long enough to hold two trains with one in the station. Go to this link: http://angelfire.com/nh/scubanrollercoasters/images/btdk742002.jpg

As you can see, that brake run can easily hold 2 trains. With one in the station, and then 2 on the run there, the ride can operate three trains. In response to Antoun, a ride does not need MCBR or a seperate loading platform to run 3 trains. Just look at Batman: Knight Flight. It has no second loading platform, and Batman: The Dark Knight's extended brake run makes up for the MCBR.

This is the worst! I even have witnesses that went with me that day, but their word wouldnt mean anything to you. UGGH I cant find any proof, I'm still searchin my photos

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*** This post was edited by Ultimate Coaster on 12/23/2002. ***

Ok ok ...its not that serious now. And my name ain't Antoun....Its Antuan.......Cordero if you're nasty.

Sry about the typo Antuan, I was typing quick....

As for the trains, I tell you I was there when they ran 3. I guess we'll just have to wait until next season.

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Ultimate Coaster - Every B&M has the "extra" blocks at the end of the ride. The reason why they have the extra blocks at the end of the ride is so they can stack the trains at the end of the night and pull'em off quick and easy, instead of having one stop say at the top of the lift or one in a MCBR.

B&M runs 3 trains when there is a block brake, or there is more than one station. Nemesis, B:DK, Iron Wolf, and every single B:TR clone run 2 trains and don't have block brakes. Now Nitro, Medusa East & West, Kumba, Kraken, Raptor, Chang, Batman Knight Flight, Silverstar, Raging Bull, and S:UF all have 3 train operation, and have a block brake, or an additional station.

If you can find a picture of the transfer shed I'd prove it to you (I looked on rcdb.com for aminute but couldn't find anything). When there are 3 trains, there are 3 storage areas. B:DK has 2 storage areas, meaning there are 2 trains.

Sorry!! If I had my photographs with me, I'd scan and send you a picture of the storage shed, but unfortunately I don't.

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"I make it a rule never to get involved with possessed people. Well, it's more of a guideline than a rule." - Dr. Pete Venkman/Bill Murray

They should make the launch where you might only launch once, or twice. you dont know till you pull in the station!

Okay.... As I said I dont have proof outside of the people I went with who agree with me, but I can promise you that when I was there on the second day of operation last year they were running 3 trains on Batman: The Dark Knight at SFNE (just so people dont accuse me of having the wrong ride) The only things I can think of is maybe they keep one train in the station, or they took one off the circuit for good aafter time, like they did with Mantis at CP. That had 3 trains for a while, didnt it? And then they took one off for good? Also, on another note, could someone find me a pic of the storage building for Mantis? I've never really seen it and I was just curious.

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CP, for the most part (Mantis included) doesn't have storage sheds on their coasters. Iron Dragon and Corcscrew have areas under the station where a trian can be dropped down, Mine ride and Mean Streak also have shelters for their trains, but for the most part, they don't have the "sheds" that people are speaking of at parks like BGW or SFGAdv. Actually, CP does it pretty much the way SFNE does with Superman - just a transfer track outside. Their trains are parked either on an outside transfer track, or in the stations for the night.

As for Mantis, yes, it did run three trains from 1996 to 2000. The third train hasn't been used the last two seasons (maybe they did a few times at the beginning of '01 - not sure) The train can be seen "shrink wrapped" in blue-ish green-ish plastic underneath the transfer tracks.

But using Mantis or Raptor as an example of B&Ms that can run three trains, you can notice all the extra blocks at the end of the ride. B&M in general, likes to have an extra block in between any trains moving at 5mph or greater, thus all the brake sections before the station on rides such as Mantis, Raptor, Medusa, etc. All of these rides also have a midcourse. Batman The Dark Knight does not have a midcourse, or these extra brake sections, and thus does not run three trains. When I was there, they had severe stackage with two, so I don't know where the idea of three trains even comes from.

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*** This post was edited by MDOmnis on 12/23/2002. ***

Yeah Matt is right. Mantis is the only B&M that I can think of off the top of my head that doesn't have an enclosure for their storage tracks. When B&M build a coaster, give the storage shed the number of tracks for each train. If there are 2 trains, then there will be 2 storage tracks in the storage shed, if there are 3 trains, there will be 3 storage tracks in the storage shed. Simple as that.

Batman: Dark Knight started out, and always had 2 trains. During Media day, they ran one train with the first row closed off, and a couple small cameras mounted on the seats. Every day besides Media Day I went to this year, they ran 2 trains...which was actually a plesant suprise! (If only they didn't stack!)

Unfortunately, I can't find anything that specifically tells whether or not it runs 2 trains, but you are just going to have to trust me on this one!

There are only 2 trains on Batman: Dark Knight. There are 4 blocks. B&M require 5 blocks for 3train operation.

Edit: Yaknow, I'm a complete moron!http://www.coasterbuzz.com/coasters/coaster.asp?CoasterID=1493 - There is your link for the reassurance that B:DK indeed does only have 2 trains.
The coasterbuzz database is off on one thing though. its 28passengers per train, not 32. There are only 7rows of seats avaliable on B:DK. :)

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*** This post was edited by rOLLocOASt on 12/24/2002. ***

Fixed. :)

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Okay, first off, thanks for the info Matt. Second, you guys can say all you want, but I all I can give you is my word that they were running three trains at the beginning of last year. I dont know where that extra train went, but I can promise you they had three going. This is the hardest part about forums, where you know something but have no proof other than the people that went with you, not that anyone would care what they said.

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