I was reading about the Thrust Air and wondered what's so good about it. The one being built for Whatever Park, from what I've read, won't be much, just up the hill down the hill over the hop get off. Boring, except for the hill, which isn't really that tall. What is it, 175 or 200 feet? How exciting... Plus, I LIKE lift hills. They add to the ride, and when you're around the top you can look around a little. Also, 80MPH is slower than MF, and even if S&S does like they say they can and go into triple digit speeds, it probably won't be much over 100. Brechul.
------------- 2001: Camp Snoopy [MoA], Big Chief, Elitch Gardens, Valleyfair, Six Flags WoA, and Cedar Point
*** This post was edited by LocoSpitz on 2/28/2001. ***
Well, to start... this is more or less just an expanded version of their original prototype to which S&S hopes will take off as more than 'just another rollercoaster'. It's not much, but it's new, different, and has features other coasters currently do not possess: - 0 to 80 in 2 seconds. - Vertical incline & decline. - Trains with 14" air-craft tires.
As time progresses, as with other new-types of coasters, it will evolve into more features in other parks around the USA & world. Other features such as more 90 degree vertical hills, a track that goes more than in just a large oval, tunnels... etc. It just takes time.
The main redeeming factor of this coaster will be its extreme smoothness due to the trains & tires, and it's new launch system, where it can reach top speed in record time!
Just give it a few years. It's the same thing that happened to the first looping coaster, to the first inverted coaster, to the first stand-up coaster!
LocoSpitz you are so funny. First, don't judge this ride because you haven't even ridden it yet. I don't know if it will be good or bad, but here's my opinion. So what if its slower than Millennium Force!!! A lot of coasters are not as fast as Millennium Force and are still just as good or better. This ride will be extremely smooth, and it has a 90 degree incline and decline! I would be psyched about anything at 90 degrees. TA2K is not designed to be a traditional roller coaster, more of a thrill ride like a free fall in my opinion. Oh yeah, did I forget, it accelerates from 0-80 in 1.8 Seconds! Put that into perspective buddy! I still fully respect your opinion though.
Don't hate on a ride until you have riddin it. Whats so good about it. I really would hate for you to ever get on Power Tower because you would probably say the same thing about it. The good thing aboit it is, you can go to a of different heights withought taking up a lot of space. MF goes 93 MPH. OOOWEEE. That must be the only roller coaster you like, because like Craig said, MOST COASTERS DO NOT GO THAT FAST, not even the coasters that are being made this year. Give S&S Sports Power a chance. I am sure they will get better
------------- Best Coaster: Millennium Force Worst Coaster: Project Stealth
Well actually, CP's Power Tower is one of my favorite rides, and I ride Valleyfair's every chance I get. Also, I haven't been on MF, and I'm not saying any coaster less than 90MPH is "evil" or bad; High Roller at Valleyfair, which does not contain speed (or height) (or smoothness), is one of my favorite coasters. Mainly, the thing I have a problem with is a "roller coaster" that has the following elements:
1. Hill 2. Bunny Hop 3. Station
I'll like it more when one is built with something more than those three. Like SFAdvocate said, HyperSonic is something that I think is a waste. Also, I don't really like being taken up a lift hill fast, I like looking around at the top (something I like about a Turbo Drop) and anticipating it while I'm going up the hill.
When I commented about the speed, I wasn't saying it's going to suck. I was just saying that people (not necessarily people AT THIS SITE) seem to think it's going to be a super speed machine of magic.
ALSO, the tires don't matter to me. It's not exactly a big part of the coaster experience, unless the wheels are chipped plastic made from old McDonalds toys, which cause the train to fall off the track approximately once every 10 minutes...
AND, I DO like speed (but I DON'T think it's evil/bad for a coaster to be slow), and yes, the Thrust Air gets pretty fast quickly, but I don't care how long it takes to go fast; it's not a car.
And now responses to other comments, which I might have already addressed (har!):
:: Do you think I'm not giving S&S the chance? Sorry if I sounded that way. :& I'm not saying they're bad or a horrible company or something. Basically, all I was trying to say is that that RIGHT NOW, it's not very impressive TO ME. Perhaps you think differently, and that's great.
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I would like to ride TA2K just because it's different. I mean, where else can you go from 0 to 80 in under 2 seconds, other than on board an F-14 being catapulted from a carrier deck? Sure, the ride may be short, but it should have awesome capacity and fast lines as a result! :)
------------- digi "There's always room for SFWoA!"
*** This post was edited by digi69 on 2/28/2001. ***
TA2K will be a one trick pony, but it will be one heck of a trick; shot out of a canon, 165' straight up, then 165' straight down. For a couple of years it will be real impressive, then we will come to appreciate its weaknesses as a complete coster, when the same trick is available followed by a complete coster. I still remember my first ride on and Arrow looping shuttle. It was real impressive at the time. Today a simple loop seems like nothing.
I am not mad that you don't like TA2K, sorry, I don't put to much passion into what other people feel. Hey the coaster may suck I mean look at Stealth. I think instead of saying all this stuff now you need to ride it. You could be so unimpressed with the layout and then people ride it and you will end up like all the people who talk about Millennium Force, before they rode it. Now it is the number 1 coaster
Now in your first post and you say a lot of stuff. I mean you really play down the roller coaster. Saying 175-200ft is not exciting, how slow its going to be. I mean you really make it seem like this roller coaster is so much smaller and slow than any other coaster out there. You compare a prototype that actually goes a pretty fast speed (considering most coasters go 50-70mph) with Millennium Force. Ride it first then talk about it.
------------- Best Coaster: Millennium Force Worst Coaster: Project Stealth
LocoSpitz said: "Well actually, CP's Power Tower is one of my favorite rides, and I ride Valleyfair's every chance I get. "
Yeah, but on paper doesn't PT sound boring? After all, it only has a top speed of only about 55 MPH. For crying out loud, 120-foot CCIs can move that fast!
When I read about CP's PT, I decided to skip the park that year. The next year, I got on board and had a blast on the Turbo Drop. They're still only thrilling for about half a second (when you first drop, or transition from shot to drop) but what a half second it is.
I think TA2K will be a monstrous kick in the pants. Eventually, VF will probably get one...but I wish they'd get a Talon clone and a Setpoint Super Saturator first.
I was to an understanding that at that rate of acceleration it will be the fastest a human can be accelerated. I don't know if that's true or not, I forget where I saw that, I guess it really doesn't matter because none of us will experience anything better (as in intense acceleration). Anyways I think there will be a suprise for everyone who rides. Well, I mean it looks like a boss of an airtime ride. The faster you shoot up that hill and start facing the ground the better slammer air that should happen, or at least I hope it does. If they make them too much taller, wouldn't it loose the speed and intensity in the airtime department? They could add more "launchers" but that could make an expensive puppy in the long run, with vet bills and all. Not that a 300 footer would suck, it would probally be more like a free fall or something. Airtime! I want to fall out of that thing!
You no like shuttle loops? I've been on two (one that I can remember) and I can say that Viper SFoG occupyed hours of my time. Sure, it's a short ride, but you get launched up a loop, depending on the seat you're in you may float for a second (I love Schwartzkopf) and if you don't float, the line's short enough for you to keep trying :).
The actual layout of Hypersonic sounds extremely boring. Up, down, around a few curves, station. BORING. Sure it's got a 0-80mph in 1.8 seconds launch, but will that keep me coming back for more? Well, maybe. I'm not really interested in the Hypersonic, but I AM interested in the 350+ft., 100+mph versions that S&S wants to build. There are very few rides that break 100mph, (read: none) and I think it would be very cool to see some.
About the TA2K being the fastest a human can be accelerated, I'm not sure. It's probably the fastest with "standard" restraints. I'm sure if they allowed very little or no movement and basically strapped all my moving parts down, then they could probably go faster.
Just FYI, the human body can most definitely withstand more than TA2K will dish out. Most any naval aviator will tell you that getting shot off the deck of an aircraft carrier is roughly twice as fast. Yes, they do begin to black out but that isn't an uncommon thing on some of the more intense coasters. I'd also like to ask everyone here to consider this: When you ride Volcano, what do you like about it? The majority of you probably enjoy the two launches and the vertical "eruption" the most. Hypersonic will push you 10mph faster and in 2/3 of the time. You will get your vertical ascent like Volcano but with the added bonus of a 90 degree drop. The floater hill at the end of the ride, in my opinion, is extremely underestimated. Finally, you will only be restrained by a lap bar, unlike Volcano's horsecollar. While I feel that everybody who has made negative posts about Hypersonic is wrong, I also respect your opinion. Let's just hope that I'm right, eh? ;)
------------- Is it just me or does Hypersonic look like one of those coasters you would see on Looney Toons?
*** This post was edited by Josh on 3/1/2001. ***
At 80 mph this coaster won't last long. That is why some people haven't liked this coaster from the get-go, and with an 8 person capacity it'll be sure to have long lines. Just remember the first year of Volcano when it only had half the seats due to electricity problems.
I can't stress the fact that it launches to 80 mph in 2 seconds. S: The Escape gets to 100 mph in what? 7 seconds? If S+S wanted to, they could get the car to 100 in about 2.5 seconds if my math is correct. Also, Loco, if you haven't been on MF or TA2K yet, why would you care which one is faster? If you've never been on them, it doesn't matter. Wow, MF is faster, big deal. My favorite coaster over MF is Superman: ROS, and that only runs at 75 mph.
------------- Parks for 2000: CP, Great Escape, Great Adventure, SFA, Islands of Adventure, Kennywood
I'll like it much more when it's got more than a hill and some curves. And Korn, I DON'T care which one is faster, I'm just saying that it's not THE fastest, like some people (and I DON'T mean you) seem to think. Also, if you had read my earlier post in this topic, you would have seen that one of my favorite coasters is High Roller at Valleyfair, which runs much slower than 75 MPH. But anyway, I'll like the TA more ("on paper") when it has more than a hill, turns, and a station. And I probably WILL like it when I ride it, because of the verticalness, and speed, although I'd like a slow lift hill. And I'll probably like it even more (off and on paper) when it has lots of stuff (or "elements"), like a "real" roller coaster.
Also, Intamin Fan, you're right. If it's starting out at 80MPH UP the lift hill, it won't be a very long ride, because it doesn't really have much other than brakes to slow it down any.
For a summary of what I think about TA2K and HyperSonic, here's GandC's post:
"The actual layout of Hypersonic sounds extremely boring. Up, down, around a few curves, station. BORING. Sure it's got a 0-80mph in 1.8 seconds launch, but will that keep me coming back for more? Well, maybe. I'm not really interested in the Hypersonic, but I AM interested in the 350+ft., 100+mph versions that S&S wants to build [LS: and ones with more than hill, hop, curve, station]. There are very few rides that break 100mph, (read: none) and I think it would be very cool to see some."