What is with the Cedar Fair love?

I have been to 2 six flags parks SFNE and SFgadv and one CF park CP. CP is easily the best run park of the 3. Busch Gardens Williamsburg is the best run park of any park that I have been to. SFNE was 2nd of the 3, and sfgadv at dead last.On the last day at the park( gadv) there was 2 train operation and I only got in 3 major rides that entire day. Here is the TR if you don't believe me. http://www.coasterbuzz.com/forum.aspx?mode=thread&TopicID=42922

The prices were worst at both six flags parks. In 2003 at CP with a souveniur drink i could have free refills at six flags the refills cost money. *** Edited 9/4/2005 8:03:23 PM UTC by GIGAFORCE01*** *** Edited 9/4/2005 8:07:24 PM UTC by GIGAFORCE01***

Look Viper, we have to talk.

You don't seem to know how to read things and comprehend so I'm going to keep this simple.

1. Seating Issues - It's possible that MF and WT could 'flood the station' but it's not done that way, and that's what the management decided would be easier. And in many ways it is. The only reason the line for the front seat on Superman is so long is because there is never an attendant right at the entrance of the station.

2. 1 train operation? I didn't say I wouldn't wait in line but I'm trying to figure out why you like 1 train operation just as much as 2 train operation? Wouldn't you like as short of a wait as possible? CP was trying to make as short of a wait as possible by running 3 trains. Being America's Rollercoast means they attract crowds. Imagine what one train on MF would be like? Chaos on a Saturday! Darien Lake manages to do it because it doesn't attract the same crowds.

3. I didn't say I didn't like Viper. I like Viper, I also like the rest of the coasters, but they don't stack up to Cedar Points. It's a given. Viper was my first coaster so it'll always hold a special place in my heart.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that Darien Lake isn't a big amusement park and doesn't attract big crowds. That's why the waits are never bad. I'm sorry about your experience at Cedar Point but you shouldn't have waited for 7 hours for Dragster. If SFDL had that ride, would they have had that ride up any sooner? I don't think so. They probably would have given up like they usually do, take a few trains off of the track, and pace back and forth in the station like they do on a daily basis with Superman.

Dorney is FAR from lifeless and it has Talon which is better than all of the Six Flags parks inverted coasters. I love Cedar Fair for the major reason that they don't always copy ride names and ride designs like Six Flags does. Almost every Six Flags park that you can go to has the standard Batman. Why do you think that Six Flags is in debt and Cedar Fair isn't. I came back from Magic Mountain and the roller coasters are great their but it was far from being as clean as any Cedar Fair park.

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Ride of Steel said:
Look Viper, we have to talk.

1. Seating Issues - It's possible that MF and WT could 'flood the station' but it's not done that way, and that's what the management decided would be easier. And in many ways it is. The only reason the line for the front seat on Superman is so long is because there is never an attendant right at the entrance of the station.

2. 1 train operation? I didn't say I wouldn't wait in line but I'm trying to figure out why you like 1 train operation just as much as 2 train operation? Wouldn't you like as short of a wait as possible?

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1). I always like to choose where I want to sit on a roller coaster. I never like it when the attendant closes of a queue and tells riders to choose another seat. Look. Millennium Force runs 3 trains, not 1. I wouldn't mind choosing another seat on a Vecoma-Boomerang, since it runs one train and the wait can get long. But on a roller coaster with at least 2 trains and a lift hill like MF, I just don't get it when I have to choose another seat. PKI's Vortex is huge, and still, riders get to choose the seat they want to ride Vortex in. Most of Paramount and Six Flags roller coasters will allow you to choose where you want to sit. But I don't know where the Cedar Point management got the idea of closing the full front seat queue and making riders choose another seat with most of their roller coasters running at least 2 trains.

2). Regarding the 1 train operation, I wouldn't mind the longer wait. Superman is worth the 1 train operation wait, because of how good it is. MarineLand's Dragon Mountain sometimes runs 1 train, and the wait is only 10 minutes. When I visited MarineLand, Dragon Mountain ran 1 train a couple of times, and I waited 5-10 minutes, and I sat in seat 1.1 . The back seats on Dragon Mountain have a longer wait than the front. Something I never seen on a roller coaster before. Strange. Anyway, if I develop a taste for a certain roller coaster, I will wait for it, 2 train or 1 train.

Yes I understand what you are saying SFDL Viper but originally you said "Why do people care if theres two trains?"

Everyone likes shorter lines. It's not that we won't wait if it's running 1 train, but 2 trains is always better and is not that big of a deal for the park to have multiple trains running.

I guess I can understand how you want to wait in line for the front. Whenever I've gone, the front hasn't been closed off except at night to allow full trains to the end. I think that they should let 3 trains in or so and but still keep it from getting too crowded.

You are just sorta confusing me. I really don't appreciate your comments and 'name calling' towards me at all.

I'm sorry about Cedar Point. Give it another chance, it's a great place. Darien Lake is great because many days it's not crowded, but at the same time you also recieve poor operations, like how Superman breaks down, EVERY DAY. EVERY DAY. I've never been there one day since it opened that it hasn't stopped itself on the lift. That really needs to be fixed.

Maybe 1 train operation doesn't bother you and that's great, but it's nice when you don't spend your time waiting in line. Sure, Superman is worth a 30 minute wait but it's nice when it's cut in half because of 2 trains.

Like you said, even with one train a line can be short, IF IT's AT A POORLY RUN PARK LIKE SFDL THAT DOESN'T DO A GOOD BUSINESS.

Before I was talking about Magnum being better but I probably shouldn't have said that SROS flat out sucks compared to it, but I prefer Magnum. I guess my point is that 194 vs 205 feet doesn't make that huge of a difference.

I'm sorry you don't like wooden coasters. Try going to Martins Fantasy Island and riding Silver Comet. Predator is a bad wooden coaster and they aren't all like that. Unfortunately CP's woodies aren't that great either so I guess you just need to find a good one.

I have to say that seating never really mattered to me, because i was sure i was getting a ride. I know people always decide which seat they want. The front seat for me is a view thing, also wind to the face. I just rode millenium force for the first time front seat, the last time i was there. Considering that i have been going every year since it has been open. The thing is they try to get people to go elsewhere in the station so people dont jam up things and also they can move more people that way. That is the main thing. Three trains are meant for people to ride it quicker, or did we miss that.

As much as I usually say RoS doesn't know what he's talkin bout (;)), I agree whole heartedly.

There are a number of reasons why I don't like Cedar Point.

1). Long Queues. Cedar Point's Queue lines are the longest that I have ever seen. It includes Dragster, Millennium Force, Raptor, Mean Streak, Magnum, and other coasters there. The biggest queue problem is the Dragster queue, because the wait is long, and when downtime occurs with a huge line of people waiting, that gives this coaster a bad impression. Millennium Force's line often gets huge with even 3 trains running. Maybe there should be 4 or even 5 trains on MF.

2). Some of the Six Flags roller coasters offer bigger thrills than Cedar Point. First, the big one, Kingda Ka. Since this roller coaster goes as fast as 206 km/h, and broke the 450' mark, I like it better than TTD. Riddler's Revenge at SFMM (B&M Stand-Up) thrilled me better than Mantis. Nitro at SFGAdv. gave me a more thrilling ride than Magnum, because of how smooth and fast it is. Magnum can get bumpy and painful at times.

3). Seating Policies. I always like to sit in the front while riding a roller coaster. But Cedar Point often takes that away and closes the front queue. I hate it when the head rest from the seat in front of you blocks the view. Plus, I just don't get thrilled enough in seats other than the front.

Those are all the reasons.

Interesting how this has become a "versus" thread even though it is against the TOS...

True, Swooshy, very true.

But anywho...

...Kingda Ka. Since this roller coaster goes as fast as 206 km/h, and broke the 450' mark, I like it better than TTD...

Looks like we have another size queen on our hands. I liked Gemini Better than TTD, and Gemini isn't anywhere near as fast or tall. What does that mean to you?

i still find it hard to believe CP "closed" the front queue, usually if you ask nicely and say you want to go in the front, they will let you stand there, albeit off to the side, and wait. the only reason they would "close" it is if it was the end of the day and they need to get everybody off by a certain time, which is standard for any park. Hell, at least they close it, unlike (*gasp* SFDL) who didn't announce the last train until we were second-next in line, after waiting an extra 45 minutes for the front...

If you wanted the front that bad, you could have had let everybody go in front of you, too :)

-- alan j

Yeah, I find that hard to believe as well. The park closed at 11pm the last time I was there. I got in line for TTD at 10:45. The line was over an hour long.

They let us on, though when the last couple of trains were filling up, if you were in the front row, they made an announcement that the will not send mostly empty trains out just for the front row, so I got in the second row. Big deal. Makes sense to me, as long as you get to ride. Heck, I rode TTD on the first attempt 2 times in one day. Better than I can say for some that still haven't gotten to ride.

I have no idea on why this Viper guy is so upset. If you want the front, and they assign you to another seat, do what I do, just wait for it. It's no big deal, as parks would rather give in to one rider than to start a comotion with you. Also, Magnum rarely has a long line, I waited only 10 min on multiple occasions for the front. Sure, it's a little rough, but I think the lapbars are the ones to blame, not the ride itself. If they changed the bars, they would appeal to the "comfy seat" crowd.

Another thing. I don't know where you guys are coming from when you say Predator is a horrible ride. To me, it's not that rough (unless you are in the back). It was voted in the Top Ten Coasters when it opened. It was my first roller coaster, and one to be proud of.

Superman always has it's glitches every day, but after 10 min down times, it's back up again, no big deal.

Final thought (and not to be a jerk): Quit your whining and wait like the rest of us.

Adding more trains would not improve capacity on Millennium Force. The ride has no mid-corse, so the train can't leave the lift until the train ahead of it has cleared the break run. I believe the soonest they can dispatch trains is when the other train is on the bunny hill. I hope I was clear in my explanation.

I'm glad someone can enjoy Predator. Predator really is a horrible ride. It may have been good when it first opened, but even sitting in the front seats it's too rough to enjoy the air.