What is with the Cedar Fair love?

---

Ride of Steel said:

Superman SUCKS compared to Magnum. Superman has a total of 6 hills, 3 of them being bunny hops. Magnum has extreme airtime throughout the entire ride.

What the **** is that all about? Magnum's drop height is actually 194 ft , but Superman's drop height is 205 ft. Also, Superman is smoother than Magnum. From my experience on magnum, it was a bumpy ride. And I really don't care about the amount of hills Superman has. Also, I don't know why people don't like 1 train operations on Superman, and the other coasters there. I would go on Superman if it ran 1 train and the queue was full. And I don't have to worry about my belongings being stolen while riding. PCW's Vortex ran 1 train with a full queue a couple of times and I only waited 40 minutes. And I sat in the front.

---

This whole debate is sort of silly. All amusement park chains have a red-headed step child or two, Six Flags has more as it obviously has more parks. Neither chain is better then the other. If Cedar Fair have as many parks as Six Flags without a doubt the number of their "crappy" parks would increase.

Personally is have never visited a park and had a really crappy time with the exception of La Ronde and Darien Lake. At La Ronde Le Vampire made up for it, at Darien Lake Superman and the fact I was there for Ozz Fest made it tolerable. Do I think that every Six Flags park bites because of it? No.

I was about to make a comment about Savage Nations comment about sex being better then amusement parks, but im going to refrain.

---

Kraxaxel can't stand it so he said yet again:I gave my viewpoint and opinion about Knott's as a park under Cedar Fair's management has changed and you pull an immature act because you think I'm doing my "usual" whining or ranting. I made a well though out post about my opinions and you provoke a flame war with your witty personal remarks that contribute nothing to the thread. Get over yourself!

---

You never, ever add anything to a conversation except to come in a spew crap, then get mad when someone points it out. Immature? Won't argue with you there. 'Witty'? Not telling me anything I don't know. 'Get over myself'? Back atcha! You never seem to be able to handle it when someone comes back at you. I'm not contributing anything to the thread? Hey pot, I'm kettle, and I'm also black and made of iron.

LoL, if you wanted me to shut up, then stop giving me material to work with. Or realize that I can say and do whatever I want, I got it like that, cause, hey! This is a discussion board. Don't like it? Leave, bub. *** Edited 9/1/2005 8:41:47 AM UTC by TeknoScorpion***

---

SFDL Viper said:
What the **** is that all about? Magnum's drop height is actually 194 ft , but Superman's drop height is 205 ft. Also, Superman is smoother than Magnum. From my experience on magnum, it was a bumpy ride. And I really don't care about the amount of hills Superman has. Also, I don't know why people don't like 1 train operations on Superman, and the other coasters there. I would go on Superman if it ran 1 train and the queue was full. And I don't have to worry about my belongings being stolen while riding. PCW's Vortex ran 1 train with a full queue a couple of times and I only waited 40 minutes. And I sat in the front.

---

---

Dude you really are dumb. Do you really this the 10 feet makes a difference in the first drop? Do you really think?

Look at Blue Streak, it's like 70 feet tall and Predator is 90 feet and Blue Streak kicks Predators butt.

Why don't people like one train operationn? Simply because it makes the line longer. If you like to wait in long lines then go right ahead.

The other coasters at Darien Lake are mediocre at best.

I'm glad for you with your 40 minute wait on Vortex. I'm sure you had a great time.

This is all about having to lock your stuff up in a locker, isn't it?

Get over it! The double station offers a shorter line and you really don't need a ton of bags when you go to a park anyway.

You really make zero sense.

"Can't you feel the lo-o-o-ove tonight?"

---

+Danny said:
Dorney, Michigan's Adventure, and Geauga Lake are bland, lifeless, and lacking personlity.
+Danny

---

As far as GL is concerned in that whole mix is the fact that GL was originally SF-owned, and CF hasn't added much rides since then, so in all actuality you are really saying that SF had no selection.

---

Ride of Steel said:

Dude you really are dumb. Do you really this the 10 feet makes a difference in the first drop? Do you really think?

Look at Blue Streak, it's like 70 feet tall and Predator is 90 feet and Blue Streak kicks Predators butt.

Why don't people like one train operationn? Simply because it makes the line longer. If you like to wait in long lines then go right ahead.

The other coasters at Darien Lake are mediocre at best.

I'm glad for you with your 40 minute wait on Vortex. I'm sure you had a great time.

This is all about having to lock your stuff up in a locker, isn't it?

Get over it! The double station offers a shorter line and you really don't need a ton of bags when you go to a park anyway.

You really make zero sense.

---

Ride of Steel, you are the most ****ed up person in the world. First of all, I hate wooden coasters because of how rough and painful they are. Second of all, if I like a roller coaster a lot, I will wait for it, 2 trains or 1 train. Superman is worth the wait with just 1 train. Look, Millennium Force has 3 hour lines with 3 trains running. Superman has a 1 1/2 to 2 hour wait with just 1 train running. And the Cedar Point seating policy, I just hate it. When I ride a roller coaster with a train with multiple rows, I always like to ride where I feel most comfortable riding. The front is where I ride roller coasters. Darien Lake will not make riders choose another seat if the front queue is full. Superman's front seat line stretched all the way to the stairs, and the ride attendant didn't mind. And Superman is not the only good ride in the park. Viper is also a great roller coaster. Darien Lake is worth the trip to ride the Viper too. Viper is the smoothest Arrow Looper in the world. When I go to Darien Lake, I take 2 Superman rides in the morning, 1 in the afternoon, and ride Viper, Boomerang, and the flats for the rest of the day. So, Ride of Steel, get a life you big ass mother****er! Viper is as awesome as Superman, and it never has a line. I been on Dragon Mountain at Marineland, and it's designed to run 3 trains but ran 1 train. I only waited 10 minutes. The back seats had a longer line than the front, and I sat in the front, seat 1.1 . See, even with one train, a wait can be short, you dickface.

As long as you arent there on a Saturday MF will not have a 3 hour wait, it will be 1.5-2 hrs in the summer. Cant say I disagree with you about waiting in line for some coasters (S:ROS included) even if they only have one train running. However, I would much rather wait in a 1.5 hr line with three trains running then one train, for one thing constant movement is less depressing then 30 secs of movement followed by 2 mins worth of standing still and another you know the park is at least trying to highten your enjoyment by making the line as little as possible instead of creating a 1.5 hr line with one train when there could be a 20 min wait with 3 trains. If a park can run one train and have there be only a 10 min wait, then it should but if it comes to the point where you can expect every train to be full with 2 trains (and later 3) running you should, its rude not to.

Hate to break it to you but Viper is not the smoothest Arrow Looper, the Lockness Monster is. Viper bashed me bad the one time I rode it.

Finally, for me personally SFDL has only one coaster I could ride again and again, (S:ROS) and a bunch of OK and credit coasters while CP has 3 amazing coasters (two of which Raptor and Magnum have had small lines for the past few years) a lot of good coasters and about the same amount of OK/credit coasters as SFDL. I have been at CP and done 4 rides on MF, 10+ rides on Magnum, 4 on Raptor, 6 on other coasters and spent an afternoon at Soak City in June.

Im no CP fan (especially recently) but seriously what is your beef with that park? SFDL is a nice smaller six flags, but cant compare to CP (a flagship park). They have two entierly different business models and clientel, its like comparing a mom and pop general store to a supermarket.

If what is happening at Knotts is similar to what has been happening at Cedar Point the last few years, then I can see where your disappointment is coming from. Much of the charm that Cedar Point had seems to be lacking now. However, Michigan's Adventure seems to be a little better. They have painted the rusty Corkskrew, the brown grass by the midways is now green, I think there are a few more trees, and Shivering Timbers is running smoother than the year before Cedar Fair bought the park. The things I don't like at Michigan's Adventure are the auto-recordings, and they don't let the ride ops give high 5vs to the riders on the train. I do agree that the Cedar Fair parks have been feeling a little cookie-cutter as of late, and this is something they need to work on.

Talk about making a first impression!

Viper, I think you better get used to the fact if you're going to post here that not everyone is going to like the same coasters you do, and many people will like rides you hate. Same with parks. Get over it and knock off the name calling. It's uncalled for. Few people in here are going to put up with it, especially from a newbie.

Voice your opinion all you want, just respect other people's as well.

---

Touchdown said:

Hate to break it to you but Viper is not the smoothest Arrow Looper, the Lockness Monster is. Viper bashed me bad the one time I rode it.

---

How can you say that Viper is not smooth? It's much smoother than PKI's Vortex. And when people say that Viper is rough, they are probably short and will get bashed on it. I am 6'2, and Viper was a comfortable ride for me. It's the wooden coasters that I got my knees bashed on. I had a bruised knee for a week after 1 Son Of Beast ride! Regarding Lockness Monster, it's from the freakin' 70's. Did you notice the difference on an arrow looper between the 70's and 80's? 70's Arrow Loopers have a weird support structure on the loop, while the 80's ones have a normal loop support structure. Also, Lockness Monster only has 2 inversions, LOOPS! The park should at least add a double corkscrew on this roller coaster. And if I want to insult a person to prove my opinion, I will do it.

Viper,

1). I hope you're not basing your dislike of wooden coasters entirely on your experience on SOB.

2). If you need to resort to insults, you're not really proving any point at all. In fact, you're more likely proving you don't have a case if all you have left to do is call someone a name.

Just a friendly caution that if you're going to run roughshod through here name calling and insulting, you better be able to take as well as you give, because you'll get it in return several times over. Read the Terms of Service for the site. It will make life here much easier.

Im 6'2" too, so when I say "bash" I mean my head gets jostled, my neck gets soar and I may end up with a headache; granted thats better then short people who allmost allways get headaches (not to mention earaches) its still not pleasent.

Why would you add a corkscrew to LNM? Corkscrews are the biggest offenders of head bashing, why would you ruin a ride by addding some, unless its a B&M which doesnt bash? So what if LNM was built in the 70's, newer is not allways better, but being the steel junkie and woodie basher you are are I dont expect you to understand that one.

Cedar Point is the only park I have been to in regards to Cedar Fair's Parks. I have been to many SF parks: SFMM, SFGA, SFNE, SFA, SFDL, and SFOT. Now, from visiting all of these parks, I have to say Cedar Point is the best of them all. Cedar Point has great scenery, great coasters, and fun for the entire family. They have amazing roller coasters with thrill rides as well, as long as an extensive kiddie area. To me, it's the all American Theme Park (Golden Ticket Award's thinks so too). If you have ever been to Cedar Point, you must agree they have the best Midway ever. Now, I don't know who made up the fact they waited 3 hours for MF, but in 2001, I waited only 1 hour, along with numerous 30-45 min. waits around lunch and closing time. The staff at Cedar Point look like they actually care about their job, as oppose to SF's employees who look like they would rather be 6 degrees from hell. Also, I don't know if they changed their seating policy, but even when the front seat line was going towards the end of the station, i was still able to wait for it. Oh, and being in the middle of a lake is kindof cool too, you feel like you're in an amuesment park oasis.

Six Flags Magic Mountain is the most dissapointning SF park I have ever been to. Although they have some really great and inovative coasters, X for instance, their only focus is roller coasters. They have a small kiddie area, and absolutely no thrill rides (okay, one Pirate Ship, but that's it). SFGA is the best SF park. I like their assortment of thrill rides and coasters. Their scenery can be better throughout the park, but the GK area is the best themed area I have ever seen. If they themed the rest of the park better, I could see this park being better than Cedar Point.

That's what I have to say. But, like others said, it's all personal preference.

Sometimes don't you wish we could all just enjoy amusement parks the way we're supposed to?

We need to realize that every park/chain has its good and bad points. We need to realize that every person is different in his/her evaluation of an amusement park. We need to realize that not every experience is the same.

For example, a high season Saturday at Cedar Point would obviously call for 3+ hour lines for TTD and MF. But take this: this past Wednesday, in half an hour, I rode 5 coasters, including back seat MF and Magnum and front seat Mantis. In high season, I couldn't do that in a day. Point? Park experiences can change dramatically.

One-sided arguments such as "What is with the Cedar Fair Love?" are not healthy.

Stop complaining, start enjoying.

These things always get out of hand, especially these debates on what park does what for whoever. The thing is you dont like you dont like it, big whoop. Yeah so i didnt particularly like a big park, not mentioning the name, cause it would start another arguement, you get what your experience tells you.

So what if something isnt what you thought it would be, complaining will not accomplish much, unless your lucky i.e. viper at great adventure. The thing is most instances are looked over because their are too many things being brought out per season to a park. The thing is yes it may hurt to have customer complains but dont the other good things people have generally outweigh the bad. Also come back to the fact of going in with an open enthusiasm to all you are about to do. Dont get broken by every ride that doesnt meet your standards, please look for the good and like above enjoy.

Damn, i feel like springer giving a tired final thought, by the way is he still on these days?

Jerry Springer SUCKS! Garbage in, garbage out. ;)

---

So what if something isnt what you thought it would be, complaining will not accomplish much, unless your lucky i.e. viper at great adventure.

---

Unless, of course, you enjoyed Viper.

(or at least didn't mind it :) )

Viper is the smoothest Arrow Looper in the world.

Sorry, folks, what he ment to say was 'Tennesse Tornado is the smoothest Arrow Looper in the world'. Happens all the time, we all make mistakes.

Well, maybe not those of us that have actually ridden the smoothest Arrow in the world.

Carry on.;)

SFDL's Viper is smooth but it's layout is very tame, compared even to Nessie's.