What is up with Six Flags!

Wednesday, October 3, 2001 12:24 PM
Why in the heck is SF expanding thealready huge parks and leaving out parks like SFDL,SFKK,SFEG and so on. Why don't the yjust expand all the parks so there an equal size instead of only expanding the mega parks.
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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 12:28 PM
The parks that attract the most people and therefore make the most money get many of the new rides...this only makes sense.
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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 12:34 PM
But wouldn't a bigger park attract more people?

ie: expand the smaller ones faster! Give the sfwoa hyper to SFEG (and I live 15min away from sfwoa and wouldn't miss it)

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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 12:37 PM

SFGRAMBoy20 said:
"The parks that attract the most people and therefore make the most money get many of the new rides...this only makes sense."

SFAW sold the most season passes this year and last and hasn't gotten JACK in two years. One coaster painted...

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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 12:38 PM
For Six Flags to pour money into a park, the potential has to be there for increased business.  For example, a park like SFKK or SFDL has a limited population to draw from, at least in comparison to a park like SFMM or SFGAdv, who draw crowds from HUGE metro areas.  If there is a limited number of people that the park can get business from (and if most of the potential busines is already visiting the park), then there is no reason to invest in something like a new B&M every other year.
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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 1:37 PM
This topic is not about being "fair" or "unfair" to the "neglected" parks. It is all about recieving profit from installing a brand new custom designed ride, yet alone if a park like SFKK or SFAW could even pay it off in one season alone...
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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 1:42 PM
When SFWoA was still Geauga Lake, its totals for attendence in 1999 were less then SFDL's for the season. Once it turned into Six Flags Ohio, we all saw a huge jump in their attendance, and now its growing into SFWoA and getting a lot more attention then I would have ever thought possible for such a small park which turned "big" in only two years.

My point is, parks [like SFDL in particular] do have potential, just like Geauga Lake did.... its just a matter of when, and if, they will use this potential to their advantage.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 2:39 PM
it is better to have five mega parks than to have 15 so so parks . plus six flags invests their money were they can make their money back. puttin a gigga or a 4-d  in sfkk or sfeg would be stoopid and would not payoff
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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 2:42 PM
Well, it is well known that Elitch Gardens has limited space to expand. As for Darien Lake, you did get a Topspin (which was supposed to be installed at SFA) in 2000. Except for SFNE, Six Flags Inc. hasn't announced any major projects yet.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 2:44 PM
Its all about the location of the park, SFGAm, SFMM and any park really close to a big city will get the most new rides.
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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 2:48 PM
So I guess Denver and Lousiville are just tiny cities?
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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 2:54 PM
yeah compared to Chicago and Los Angelos
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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 3:17 PM
The thing that tears my heart about SFKK is that when Six Flags bought it, they renovated it so that the flat rides would be next to each other for bigger things....If you think about it, where is all these big things at?  Hmm....can i say tore down....or can i say we've saw the end of KK ever getting anything...but i guess they don't have much room to go anywhere.....next stop holiday world
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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 3:45 PM
Darien lake is the second biggest six flags park (acre wise).  Before geuga lake became "Worlds of Adventure" (which i think is the most corny name for a park i have ever heard) like said before, darien lake had more patrons then woa.  If six flags would put money into sfdl and take advantage of all the land they have they could do just as good or better then sfwoa.  Also, if the park had more major attractions then more people would want to stay in the lodge on the lake and in the camping area.  It seems ever since sf bought geuga lake, we've been screwed at sfdl.  I remember when s:ros first opened there were TONS of people there and many out of state liscense plates in the parking lot.  My point is is that sfdl has huge potential to be a great money making park for six flags however six flags seems to be oblivious of that.
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*** This post was edited by amusementparkfanatic85 on 10/3/2001. ***

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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 6:37 PM
I think the people are more complaining about SFMM, SFGAm, and SFGAdv...not SFWoA but I could be wrong.  Chicago and LA and by FAR six flag's best markets...it only makes sense they keep them at top quality.

*** This post was edited by SFGRAMBoy20 on 12/9/2001. ***

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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 6:56 PM
SFGAdv Don't get that much luv!!! I mean we got lucky with Nitro!  But call me greedy! I WANT MORE COASTERS!!!!!!!!! JUST LIKE SFMM!
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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 6:58 PM
You are greedy, SFGadv has a huge collection of rides.
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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 7:04 PM

sfdl dude said:
"When SFWoA was still Geauga Lake, its totals for attendence in 1999 were less then SFDL's for the season. Once it turned into Six Flags Ohio, we all saw a huge jump in their attendance, and now its growing into SFWoA and getting a lot more attention then I would have ever thought possible for such a small park which turned "big" in only two years.

My point is, parks [like SFDL in particular] do have potential, just like Geauga Lake did.... its just a matter of when, and if, they will use this potential to their advantage."


Not even the same situation. Geauga Lake was sitting in a large market to begin with (about a million people, sitting between Cleveland and Akron/Canton), so naturally expanding it made sense.

The complaints in most cases surround smaller markets like Buffalo (SFDL) or Louisville (SFKK). Ditto for the Cedar Fair parks like WoF and Valleyfair.

Everything is about return on investment... ROI. Smaller parks in smaller markets can't draw the crowds to build $15 million rides every year. There is no favoritism or neglect, it's just about common business sense.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 7:08 PM
I wish SFGAM would get another coaster for next year ;)....a 4d coaster would work just fine.
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Wednesday, October 3, 2001 7:10 PM

Jeff said:

Everything is about return on investment... ROI. Smaller parks in smaller markets can't draw the crowds to build $15 million rides every year. There is no favoritism or neglect, it's just about common business sense.
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Jeff, you've got this one on the head, unfortunately(?).  It means less for the smaller parks NOW, but if the businesses like SF and Paramount do WELL, then there's more money for all parks later on. If you live in a small market, you've got to either be patient, or do what I do and travel a heck of a lot...
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