Anyways, I don't mind most Arrow coasters. Maggie is one of the best coasters I've been on, and Viper at SFMM isn't bad for me. Some others, though, can get really rough, which (although they may be less rough than most woodies) is greatly accentuated by the OTSRs.
Plus. Arrow designs seats to fit for small people. Most people above 6' (unlike me) seem to have trouble with these seats. Plus, the headrests stick out into the back of your head. *** Edited 10/19/2005 12:32:37 AM UTC by PNE_man***
Someone out there probably thinks that SoB is the best ride ever, so I'm terribly sorry to inform you that you are becoming those that you complain about. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and that can differ from person to person.
Don't even want to talk about Vekoma's. All I can say is I've rode good and bad ones. As far as SOB...I really do believe SOB is getting better year by year. Yea! It's rough...but...it's a woodie going nearly 80mph. Then there's SOB's trains, but it's still a wild (wild as in good) ride.
It will always be rough...that won't change.
An egg's an egg, you know?
Personally, I like most of 'em, and count me as one that LOVED Drachen Fire. Oh well.
How dare you if you like any of them. Your not a enthusiast!!!!!!!
Chuck, who could rides SFDL's Boomerang all day
These people are not really in the majority, since the coasters are consistantly ranked very high. It has to do with the ride being around for over 10 years and having a great reputation for being a world class ride. So enthusiasts come in expecting it to be great, and when they don't think it is for whatever reason, they feel cheated/disappointed. Some try to compare it to great rides of another era, and compare B&M hypers or Intamin Hypers to Magnum, or Legend/Raven to Beast
However that is not always a fair comparison, and expecting a ride built with older technology to be as smooth is kind of stupid. Magnum, Beast, these were the rides of a different era. Magnum was the first of the hyper coasters (well unless you want to count Bandit, etc), and has some unique qualities that make it great.
So of course people will have different opinions. But their are a few really good Arrow rides. Here are my top 5:
3. Big Bad Wolf
4. Top Gun (PKI)
I think the top 3 are in Amusement todays top 50 steel, so someone also likes those rides. But with improvements in engineering, and technology, B&M Intamin, Premier, etc, have built some really great steel coasters.
Well I hope this sort of explains the reason. Arrow rides were of a different era for the most part (X is sort of different though). And the smoothness found on an Arrow ride is not going to really be comparable to B&M or Intamin. But I like the non looping Arrow rides, they are fun, and some are really great rides
Chuck, who don't condem a company for a couple of misses.
I like Arrow coasters. Magnum is my favorite. One complaint I have about Magnum is the fact that the lap bars are really hard, they hurt sometimes on that ejector air. That's why I prefer an Intamin airtime machine like S:RoS @ SFNE over magnum, comfort (I'm not comparing the rides era to era, or technology then vs. now). If CP just made those lapbars a little bit softer, Magnum would be one of my top 5, taking Nitro's place (that's another reason why Nitro is my #5, comfort).
X is the best though.
Edit: Didn't Orient Express derail or something? Is that why they took it out? *** Edited 10/19/2005 1:31:52 AM UTC by italianstallion***
As for Magnum, I always thought the pretzel turnaround was sa-weet, and I really like the fact that there isn't a MCBR. I actually get airtime on Maggie's return leg, unlke Mamba and Wild Thing. It's bene so long, I forget how Steel Force compared.
To each his own.
With that being said, the newer Arrow coasters (TT) and the new S&S-Arrow coasters (PK) are fun rides that provide a very smooth experience.
B&M has us spoiled when it comes to smooth and that I think was the downfall of Arrow in the eyes of enthusiasses.
The main problem with Magnum is that I truely believe 200 feet was the limit for Arrow coasters without them being too painful. Surprisingly, Maggie does pretty well for an arrow considering it's size and age. The problem is the lapbars on the bunny hops, but also the pullout (that's the technical term for the the bottom of the drop right?) is a bit painful on your back at times,sorta like a wood coaster than jackhammers you at the bottom of each drop.
Millennium Force has such a smoother drop as far as transition goes so I think that's why Mangum is a bit rougher.
Yes the ride is a bit violent but is a lot like a wooden coaster, and I think that's why so many people like it because it's not too painful but it has something special. Some call it character, some call it too much space between the guide wheels and the track.
The steel tubluar track
Corkscrew (which they screwed up but is a great element on other companys rides)
While I dont like the average Arrow looper (I tend to find them boring and headache inducing) there did make some fantastic coasters as well; Maggie is #2 while LMN, BBW and Gemini are in my top 25 and I enjoy about half of their mine coasters and tend to repeat ride on them. Its all about preference. *** Edited 10/19/2005 2:09:21 AM UTC by Touchdown***
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