What is it with the hatred of Arrow Roller coasters?

Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:19 PM
Ok. I wonder why some people hate Arrow Coasters. The ones that I am talking about are Magnum, and some of the Arrow Loopers. On one website, a person said that Magnum was a piece of ****, another person said that Maggie is so rough, and all the other bull****. On other roller coaster websites, some people said that the Viper at SFDL was really painful, and some people said that Marineland's Dragon Mountain was torture. These are some of the world's best roller coasters, and I don't know why people are talking trash about them. If people think that Magnum is rough, they probably haven't ridden SFDL's Predator, PKI's Son Of Beast (which I call son of a *****), and SFMM's Psyclone. Those are pieces of **** and torture . Also, Maggie, Viper, and Dragon Mountain are record breakers. The woodies I mentioned are nothing and should be set on fire.
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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:23 PM
jkpark's avatar SFDL's Viper is painful only because of the seats. It's the Vekoma coasters that are garbage.
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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:24 PM
Ranting is fun!

Yay!

Anyways, I don't mind most Arrow coasters. Maggie is one of the best coasters I've been on, and Viper at SFMM isn't bad for me. Some others, though, can get really rough, which (although they may be less rough than most woodies) is greatly accentuated by the OTSRs.

Plus. Arrow designs seats to fit for small people. Most people above 6' (unlike me) seem to have trouble with these seats. Plus, the headrests stick out into the back of your head. *** Edited 10/19/2005 12:32:37 AM UTC by PNE_man***

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:35 PM
Because people are allowed to say what they are thinking?

Someone out there probably thinks that SoB is the best ride ever, so I'm terribly sorry to inform you that you are becoming those that you complain about. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and that can differ from person to person.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:52 PM
I don't know where people think Magnum is rough?! That coaster really runs great to me, (being that it'll be 17 yrs. old next season). Still love the first drop and the bunny hills best. I've got to agree with JK about the seats though. They can be bad at times.

Don't even want to talk about Vekoma's. All I can say is I've rode good and bad ones. As far as SOB...I really do believe SOB is getting better year by year. Yea! It's rough...but...it's a woodie going nearly 80mph. Then there's SOB's trains, but it's still a wild (wild as in good) ride.

It will always be rough...that won't change.


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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:56 PM
nasai's avatar I think the issues stem from horsecollars, and steel fabrication/maintenance. Arrow didn't do either too well, and most of their rides suffer from bad maintenance, so............

An egg's an egg, you know?

Personally, I like most of 'em, and count me as one that LOVED Drachen Fire. Oh well.


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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:57 PM
No, It's the old Arrow sucks, Vekoma Sucks and Gerstlauer sucks syndrome.

How dare you if you like any of them. Your not a enthusiast!!!!!!!

Chuck, who could rides SFDL's Boomerang all day

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:59 PM
well I think Magnum is a very popular ride, and in quite a few coaster polls is in the top 10. However like the Beast, Texas Giant, or other great rides of a different era, there is a certain sector that does not like the ride.

These people are not really in the majority, since the coasters are consistantly ranked very high. It has to do with the ride being around for over 10 years and having a great reputation for being a world class ride. So enthusiasts come in expecting it to be great, and when they don't think it is for whatever reason, they feel cheated/disappointed. Some try to compare it to great rides of another era, and compare B&M hypers or Intamin Hypers to Magnum, or Legend/Raven to Beast

However that is not always a fair comparison, and expecting a ride built with older technology to be as smooth is kind of stupid. Magnum, Beast, these were the rides of a different era. Magnum was the first of the hyper coasters (well unless you want to count Bandit, etc), and has some unique qualities that make it great.

So of course people will have different opinions. But their are a few really good Arrow rides. Here are my top 5:

1. Magnum

2. Desperado

3. Big Bad Wolf

4. Top Gun (PKI)

5. Gemini

I think the top 3 are in Amusement todays top 50 steel, so someone also likes those rides. But with improvements in engineering, and technology, B&M Intamin, Premier, etc, have built some really great steel coasters.

Well I hope this sort of explains the reason. Arrow rides were of a different era for the most part (X is sort of different though). And the smoothness found on an Arrow ride is not going to really be comparable to B&M or Intamin. But I like the non looping Arrow rides, they are fun, and some are really great rides

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:17 PM
Acoustic Viscosity's avatar I love them too. I miss WOF's Orient Express and SFGAM's Shockwave. Magnum is still one of my all-time favorite coasters. I'll take it over the Morgan hypers any day, except for Phantom's Revenge probably. :)

AV Matt
Long live the Big Bad Wolf

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:20 PM
Im another one who loved Shockwave. I didn't like Orient very much. I think my comment when I rode it was Toomer's trying to kill me.

Chuck, who don't condem a company for a couple of misses.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:20 PM
Personally I didn't like Magnum. No I'm not saying DOWN WITH MAGNUM IT SUCKS. But just, the ride was boring personally. Sorry :(

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:25 PM
OW! My head still hurts! just kidding.

I like Arrow coasters. Magnum is my favorite. One complaint I have about Magnum is the fact that the lap bars are really hard, they hurt sometimes on that ejector air. That's why I prefer an Intamin airtime machine like S:RoS @ SFNE over magnum, comfort (I'm not comparing the rides era to era, or technology then vs. now). If CP just made those lapbars a little bit softer, Magnum would be one of my top 5, taking Nitro's place (that's another reason why Nitro is my #5, comfort).

X is the best though.

Edit: Didn't Orient Express derail or something? Is that why they took it out? *** Edited 10/19/2005 1:31:52 AM UTC by italianstallion***

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:28 PM
Acoustic Viscosity's avatar Depending on when you rode Orient, I can see why you would think that, Chuck. It was great one year then bad the next. Knowing how good it could be, I always thought the layout and setting made up for any roughness.

As for Magnum, I always thought the pretzel turnaround was sa-weet, and I really like the fact that there isn't a MCBR. I actually get airtime on Maggie's return leg, unlke Mamba and Wild Thing. It's bene so long, I forget how Steel Force compared.


AV Matt
Long live the Big Bad Wolf

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:28 PM
I still enjoy Magnum more than any other coaster in the park. I've had great rides on many other Arrows; the best single ride I had at SFGAm last week was on Demon - with all the theming on.

To each his own.


To being an "us" for once - instead of a "them".

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:32 PM
One of my favorite Arrows is LNM. I was really surprised at how much I liked it.
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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:36 PM
My favorite is Gemini, it races and has TONS of airtime. Whats better then that?

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:46 PM
I honestly like Arrow coasters. BBW is byfar one of the best rides I have ever been on. The problem with some Arrow coasters is that they were not designed to the optimal level to deal with some of the forces that the coaster inflicted upon itself. That along with other issues is the reason why some of the older Arrow coasters ride so rough.

With that being said, the newer Arrow coasters (TT) and the new S&S-Arrow coasters (PK) are fun rides that provide a very smooth experience.

B&M has us spoiled when it comes to smooth and that I think was the downfall of Arrow in the eyes of enthusiasses.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:47 PM
Ride of Steel's avatar I understand why people don't like some Arrows but they aren't THAT bad. I know some people blame the transitions but I really believe it is the wheel assembly that's the problem. Rather than a spring loaded assembly, there is 1+ inch between the guide wheels and the track, causing it to be bumpy.

The main problem with Magnum is that I truely believe 200 feet was the limit for Arrow coasters without them being too painful. Surprisingly, Maggie does pretty well for an arrow considering it's size and age. The problem is the lapbars on the bunny hops, but also the pullout (that's the technical term for the the bottom of the drop right?) is a bit painful on your back at times,sorta like a wood coaster than jackhammers you at the bottom of each drop.

http://coastergallery.com/CP/32.html

versus

http://pointbuzz.com/Gallery.aspx?i=589

Millennium Force has such a smoother drop as far as transition goes so I think that's why Mangum is a bit rougher.

Yes the ride is a bit violent but is a lot like a wooden coaster, and I think that's why so many people like it because it's not too painful but it has something special. Some call it character, some call it too much space between the guide wheels and the track.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:56 PM
Jeff's avatar Just because there is a censoring function on the forum doesn't make it OK to invoke it. Don't be cute.

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Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:07 PM
Arrow has screwed up more then they have suceeded but they have done some great things, such as invent:

The steel tubluar track

Mine Train

Corkscrew (which they screwed up but is a great element on other companys rides)

Suspended Coaster

Hyper Coaster

4-D Coaster

While I dont like the average Arrow looper (I tend to find them boring and headache inducing) there did make some fantastic coasters as well; Maggie is #2 while LMN, BBW and Gemini are in my top 25 and I enjoy about half of their mine coasters and tend to repeat ride on them. Its all about preference. *** Edited 10/19/2005 2:09:21 AM UTC by Touchdown***


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