What do you think will happen to all of Magic Mountain's coasters?

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rc-madness said:
With all the talk about Six Flag's new family focus, I have yet to see a new family attraction built on Sharpie's watch, and I don't expect to. I think he's full of hot air.

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He's only been on the job for a few months, and planning, ordering, constructing, landscaping, staffing, and training of new attractions takes a long time.

Hot air, indeed, but I don't think its comin' from Mr. Shapiro's direction...

GAdv would not be sold. With all this talk of six flags making characters and stuff like that that park would be perfect for a movie studio or something.

They would not have relocated the headquaters to NYC if they planned on getting rid of that park.

Six Flags making characters and stuff.

What?

So what do you think will happen to all the coasters at Cedar Point when the park will close?

I think they can actually sell some of those as most of CP seems to be flat as a pancake - they are in a much better position for a sell-out than MM :)

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You guys talk about SFMM as if it would close tomorrow.

I think this park will be in operation for a long long long time from now, unless something really bad happens.

When I went to SFMM for the first time less than 2 weeks ago, I noticed that certain rides, buildings, etc. are in definite need of maintenance. Certain things they don't even seem to use anymore--it's like the park just moved on and neglected the stuff, yet left it still standing. To me, this park has potential to be a truly amazing place, but to get it to even Busch level would take quite a bit of time and money.

If we really do see SFMM go the way of the dodo, we will see the end of a truly unique and famous place. I've wanted to visit the Mountain for years, and I'm glad that I finally was able to. But to make this place into something worthy of greatness, it would take some serious investment.

The coasters/rides that I could see being relocated or not relocated are as follows:

--RR, BTR, Scream, Goliath, X, Deja Vu should all be moved/able to be moved

--Psyclone, Colossus, Gold Rusher, Ninja, Revolution will probably all be demolished

--Viper I'm not sure about, as Shockwave and Drachen Fire ended up being scrapped

--STE I'm not sure about, as it's a tame ride compared to some of the newer ones, and it draws a LOT of power, which in turn costs the park more money

--Tatsu I would like to see saved, but I'm not exactly sure how easily they could install this at another park

--Flashback I'm not sure about, but it would probably be scrapped as well

--the water rides would probably be scrapped, except maybe for the shoot-the-chutes

--the skycoaster and thrillshot would probably be moved, and possibly some of the flat rides as well

--I would hope they would save the sky tower and relocate it somewhere else, such as SFGAdv, who doesn't have an observation tower and should have the height variance for it

--some of HH's rides would probably be moved; others demolished (like the wave pool)

I like parks with terrain, and SFMM seems to make some decent use of it. It would be unfortunate to see the place go to use for something else. It's also a shame to see such nice terrain rides as Revolution, Gold Rusher, the flumes, Ninja, and Tatsu go to waste.

I've got a few acres of land in rural Georgia, so when MM closes, I'm going to buy Goliath and X and have my own theme park. And...like Cartman's park on South Park - You can't come! ;)

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Touchdown said:
The fact that there has been very little outcry on this board about the possiblity of a mega coaster park closing just goes to show how much this park has alienated all facets of their targeted audience (could you imagine what would happen if CF anounced CP was closing.)

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Excellent, excellent point!

I really think some people should just take SFMM for what it is - I really think it's pretty underappreciated.

Of course, some buildigs and coasters will have to be replaced or taken out of the park etc., but I still think that it has a lot to offer - and that there are very few parks that have a comparable lineup of high-profile custom made unique thrill rides.

Just think of it - MM has X, Riddler's Revenge, Tatsu, Goliath, Deja Vu, Viper... and they are pretty much all up and running pretty decently - plus the park seems to improve over the last time in general for sure.

Why don't people talk more about the problems of other parks - like - when did Busch Gardens for the last time acutally add something to their parks? When is Cedar Point finally getting a decend B&M floorless?

Why is everyone visualising how they close MM down? I don't think anything like that will happen any time soon.

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Well, myself--I do like SFMM. But like 1 or more other parks I've been to, I see that it could be better. If SFMM was run and maintained like some of the other parks, such as CP, BGE, HP, etc., we would have an amazing park. SFMM has a wonderful arsenal of coasters, yes, but it could be so much better.

If CP were operated and maintained like SFMM is, then we'd be picking on it as well.

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superman said:

Why don't people talk more about the problems of other parks - like - when did Busch Gardens for the last time acutally add something to their parks?

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Ummm, BGA got a Dive Machine last year and BGE is getting one next year so the answer to your question is 2005 and 2007 ;).

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If this park gets sold and they scrap Tatsu, X, or Goliath then the person responsible had no business being in the amusement park industry to begin with. This would be an incredibly stupid and wasteful approach. If it does go on the block, I'd assume the park would be sold. IMHO, Cedar Point should step up to bat one more time, MM does not need to be bulldozed for a mall.

Will you people stop suggesting Cedar Fair stepping up to acquire the park? They just bought the entire Paramount Parks chain from CSB Corp. for $1.2 billion and are still in the act of fully securing the acquisition. Cedar Fair now rivals Six Flags in total debt load. I find it VERY heard to believe they'll want to drop another $300 million in a park in a marketplace in which they are already present, ESPECIALLY after having just bought 5 huge venues.

^I agree the only chain I can think that would buy it would be Busch, and Im not sure they would be willing to take a park that.

Would Busch be willing to invest the time and money in a park such as Magic Mountain when, if you look at their various parks, they aren't really heavy on the thrills themselves?

Sure you've got SheiKra, Montu, Kraken, Alpengeist, and Apollo's Chariot, for example, but overall their parks are such a contrast to what SFMM has become, if that makes sense.

X Factor

^ I know what you're getting at. Though the two Busch Gardens parks and SeaWorld Adventure Parks do cater to guest appetites for thrill rides, they are more than 90% focused on animal attractions, thematic elements, gardens and landscaping, and unique dining experiences.

Magic Mountain's current state and target audience hardly comes close to falling in line with the definition of an Anheuser Busch park.

^Hense my doubt they would pick it up, unfortunatly they are the only chain with some cash flow available.

Heres another article that pretty much confirms SFMM's fate as a non amusement park if it is sold.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060623/ap_on_bi_ge/six_flags_outlook_4

Heres hoping that stock plummits on the move, like it or not SFMM is SF's most visable park (thanks to all the discovery channel stuff) I dont care how much work it needs, selling it is going to be a black mark on the company.

For once I wish Cbuzz had avatars:

http://www.micechat.com/forums/showthread.php?p=714599#post714599

^^Yeah but havn't you heard? discovery channel doesn't produce coaster shows anymore.I guess the audience got sick & tired of seeing SFMM on each & every one of them,that & they've become obsessed with that american chopper crap lately.

Many people here seem to forget that not only is SFMM in danger of closing but 5 other parks in the chain are as well.I see absolutely nobody whining about the prospects of losing SFDL,SFEG or any of the other parks they mentioned which may be shut down but boy ohh boy when SFMM is up for grabs that's all anyone here is concerned with.