Voyage Trimmed!?

Sunday, August 5, 2007 9:53 PM
BB would have been the perfect coaster for the new PTC's.

PTC could use BB to showcase their new trains from a promotional, marketing tool and BB would simply sell the original trains to another park in need.

Well, it could happen! :)

Sunday, August 5, 2007 10:07 PM
I was there on I believe July 23rd. That was the first time I had ever ridden the Voyage and was suprised when we came to a near stop at the mcbr. Although I can not compare it to last year since these were my first rides I was amazed at how quickly the train picked up speed after the slow down and how intense the second half of the ride still was. So like I said I have no previous rides to compare it to but the second half is still really intense. *** Edited 8/7/2007 5:02:34 AM UTC by gishman1***
Sunday, August 5, 2007 10:48 PM
At first you had enthusiasts complaining that Voyage was too aggressive, too much of a workout, too intense. Now, without having even ridden it with the trim activated, some are complaining once again. Always good for a laugh. ;)

Although I like the triple down, it's not even close to my favorite part of the ride (except in the very back seat) so I doubt it would hamper my enjoyment at all.

All the reports I heard from last week seem to indicate that Voyage was running in insane mode, as usual.

Monday, August 6, 2007 12:45 AM
I don't think the complaints are coming from the same least not me. I never complained the Voyage was too rough. It had two rough spots when it first opened that were fixed and now it is just fine. I noticed a big difference between early the first season and this year as to how fast the trains went thru the midcourse, and how much air there was in the triple down and the two hills after it. There was a vast improvement this year making the ride even more insane but now we are back to square one. If they MUST trim it, then it should go right after the last 90 degree bank or at least after the two airtime hills after the triple down.
Monday, August 6, 2007 9:36 AM

I never ever complained about the Voyage...until now. But you are right, I heard a lot of enthusiasts complain it was too much.

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Monday, August 6, 2007 9:39 AM
I was just there on July 28th, and the trims were not on. The biggest problem in my opinion was the ride that cars 2 and 3 were giving. Ouch! I've never found the Voyage to be rough before, and my rides in the back of the train were great. I don't know what's going on with cars 2 and 3, but it was pretty uncomfortable, and everyone else in our party agreed.
Monday, August 6, 2007 9:57 AM
Jeff's avatar What a bunch of crybabies. Seriously, there are so many people in the enthusiast community that are in dire need of lives. You haven't even been on the damn ride and you're writing this off as the end of life.

Does anyone still find this hobby fun?

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Monday, August 6, 2007 10:08 AM
I never heard anyone say it was the end of life. So, let me get this straight. It's perfectly OK to complain about food prices and quality. But, it's not OK to complain about trims on a coaster. Phew, glad I learned the rules. :)
Monday, August 6, 2007 10:16 AM
matt.'s avatar It's one thing to complain about trims.

It's another thing to claim "All this excessive trimming is making me really dislike the hobby" or immediately comparing what is widely considered the best wooden coaster ever built* to Mean Streak the second the coaster is reigned in a bit.

*please don't turn this into a "not by me!" thing by the ones who don't like it as much. I said "widely" not "unanimously."

Monday, August 6, 2007 10:29 AM
I'm one of the ones that thought it was a little too intense (and told Will Koch so last year), and if they really are trimming it at the midcourse (which they weren't a few weeks ago), I'm actually very happy about it and it may actually get me to visit again this year.

I've probably committed the ultimate heresy for some of you, but there it is. :)

Monday, August 6, 2007 10:43 AM
I'm not one for getting beaten to hell on coasters and I absolutely love The Voyage so to me the "too intense" argument is null and void. At least I got 285 rides on it before they trimmed it.

I remember when the words "trim" was considered a four letter word at HW. Guess I moved away at the right time.

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Monday, August 6, 2007 11:05 AM
I rode it wed 8/1/2007

I noticed the trim brake was new but still enjoyed the ride .It is a little rougher than last year.I guess they will work on that during the off season. I love H/W and if they put the trim brake on to improve the ride for the guests I don't have a problem with that.That is what they are there for to give you the best ride they can and still keep the ride running .

What do you want them to do before the end of the season? shut the ride down to fix or put the brake on to keep it running till the end of season.


Monday, August 6, 2007 11:43 AM
Acoustic Viscosity's avatar I'm curious what specifically the trim is being used for. Since the ride is all down hill from there, it's not going to have much of an effect on the end of the ride which is more intense than most of the track after the midcourse brake. Seems like trimming it all the way back there wouldn't help with the problem spot around the third 90, but maybe that little difference is all they need? Interesting.

AV Matt
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Monday, August 6, 2007 12:00 PM
matt.'s avatar

Paul Drabek said:
Guess I moved away at the right time.

Did you move down the street from another park with 3 of the best wooden coasters in the world, a fantastic waterpark, a fun darkride, a bunch of cool flatrides, insanely reasonable food prices, friendly employees, and some of the cleanest midways in the country?

Because if you are really so jaded about HW that you're going to post stuff like "Guess I moved away at the right time" because of what was clearly a much thought-out business decision, I can't help but agree. Maybe you are better off having moved, considering most people here would incredibly thankful to live close to a park half as good as Holiday World, trim on Voyage or not.

Monday, August 6, 2007 12:06 PM
Yep, the haters are starting to come out. Negative opinions of posters are the only ones allowed around here. Not park decisions...with the possible exception of Six Flags.
Monday, August 6, 2007 12:14 PM
matt.'s avatar Haha, right.

Sorry, but sure...seeing a great coaster trimmed sucks. I'm fine with that. I can take that, and I've been sorry about other coasters being trimmed in the past, too.

But thumbing your nose at a great park like HW when it was 100% awesomeness before the Voyage was even built? That's as enthusiasstic as it gets. *** Edited 8/6/2007 4:15:00 PM UTC by matt.***

Monday, August 6, 2007 12:24 PM
I guess my question is... how much does it matter? Maybe it just doesn't seem like it relative to the track before it, but the train isn't moving that fast over the trim section anyway.
Monday, August 6, 2007 12:34 PM
Yes HW is awesome. Yes they are still awesome. Yes they gave us their word when they probably shouldn't have. Yes the trims suck. Yes, some of us are more aware of speed differences than others and will notice a change in speed and forces more. Whatever, it is what it is. HW may be a nice park, but it is a multi-million dollar business and I am not too worried about hurting their feelings with my opinion on trims. I don't think anyone is saying it is the end of the world, but it still sucks that this had to happen. Also, different people act differently when promises get broken and personally I am not one to just not say anything about it regardless how good the reason is. I know it old fashioned but in my opinion your word is your word. *** Edited 8/6/2007 4:35:56 PM UTC by RavenTTD***
Monday, August 6, 2007 12:38 PM
matt.'s avatar I guess just taking a trim on Voyage as some sort of personal affront is beyond me.

Myself? I'd rather a park do what it had to do for its guests and it's bottom line rather then pander to a select few coaster enthusiasts who may blow it way out of proportion.

That still leaves plenty of room for "Oh, Voyage got trimmed and I don't think it's as good a ride any more" but it doesn't leave room for expecting a park to leave a coaster wide open when it's either tearing itself apart, or garnering complaints from guests (or whatever reasons it could be), promises or not. *** Edited 8/6/2007 4:39:01 PM UTC by matt.***

Monday, August 6, 2007 12:49 PM
Well, if the "pandering to a select few" was really not important like you are saying then the promise would not have been made in the first place. Some people will not think anything ill of a park no matter what they do. They could take out Voyage tomorrow and install a carousel instead and people would come here and post that it was a great decision because Voyage was costing too much money and they always needed a carousel and they still have Raven and Legend and HW was a beloved park when those were the only woodies.

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