VF Posts Renegade Construction Pictures

And it will run two trains like WT. It will be fine.

I saw this new link posted elsewhere. It is a new constuction photo update:

http://www.valleyfaircentral.com/const.php

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coasterMNguy... said:
^^ Sure, but HR and Excalibur certainly do not have the same draw that, say, a brand new coaster has.

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The point is that published capacity of coasters is generally way more than what actually happens in the real world.

Why would Renegade have greatly different capacity than most other wooden coasters running two trains? The only thing different here is they're publishing a PPH number that's actually closer to what's realistic.

If I'm the manufacturer (or sales rep), I'd put figures out for theoretical maximum capacity and be happy with that. There's no reason for them to investigate further...

"In Orlando, capacity loss may result from guests having left their brains in their own home state"?

http://www.valleyfair.com/public/information/photo_galleries/index.cfm

New update again. The second picture is my new background.

I'm THIS CLOSE to admitting I'm glad we got this instead of a B&M.

Are you kidding? I was overjoyed when I found out it was this not a B&M. B&M's are kinda cool the first few times you ride them, but they lose their appeal real quick. Loops are a gimicks; it does not matter how many you have or how well you do it. Good woodies are infinately rerideable and it is about fricken time that we got a good one here at VF. I hope that some of those small bunny hops have the good Thunderhead air rather than the forceless LR feel. Even if they don't it will still be the best ride in the park. That second hill should deliver for sure. The only thing they could have got that would have been better would be a TGG coaster, but considering who is making the decision I think this was a very pleasant and surprising choice. I hope the rumors of future CF GCII's are true. *** Edited 3/26/2007 9:37:01 PM UTC by RavenTTD***

Then again, there's a big difference between a B&M and a GOOD B&M.

Patriot is a B&M. Raptor is a B&M. Talon? B&M. Hydra and Silver Bullet? B&Ms with mixed reviews.

Kumba? Is a GOOD B&M.

Given the recent CF installments, the odds of getting a good B&M were remarkably low anyway. But VF really could use another looper besides the cool-in-1976 Corkscrew. Honestly.

-'Playa

(who sez they BETTER do a Camp Snoopy in '08)

That is true but I would put Raptor, Batman, and even Hulk in the category of good B&M loopers. Even still I would prefer a top notch woodie and Renegade looks like it could be in that category or close to it. Then again, maybe not. We will have to wait till it opens to know for sure. I would still much rather reride coasters like Voyage, Thunderhead, or even Avalanche and Cornball than Kumba. The loops only do it for me for so many rides. It is true that VF needs a good looper, but since the park is so close to me, I'd rather they have the reridable coaster fix. :) Right now my VF trips are very short since there is only so much to do there before I get bored. I can spend much more time at Timberfalls with their one little woodie.

And I agree that when CF does put a Beemer in VF it is going to suck. Not suck as in we can't stand it, but it will suck in the sense that it will only be a shadow of what B&M is capable of. *** Edited 3/26/2007 10:06:16 PM UTC by RavenTTD***

Ya never know. A VF B&M might be really good. Put an invert back in the woods, flying over the rapids ride. Give it some drops and some zig-zags like a suspended, and more than one zero-g roll. It could be really great. Oh never mind. They'll just put in a Talon/Patriot.

Yeah. . . cuz Cedar Fair is so with cloning and all that.

This is really lookin awesome. Now only if those interns would update. . . *** Edited 3/27/2007 12:19:49 AM UTC by VF--New-coaster07***

I have to admit I never was a fan of woodies until a few years ago but after riding the bore fest that is Hydra and Patriot I'd love to get Renegade. I can't complain though we have an abundance of good wood within a driving distance here in NJ. By the way why does no one like Raptor I rode it after a rain in 2002 and it was without a doubt the most intense inverted I ever rode. It even blew Batman away. *** Edited 3/27/2007 1:08:03 PM UTC by OP AWESOME***

People like Raptor plenty, just remember that a ride's detractors are often much louder/visible than it's fans.

There are plenty of people who worship everything at Cedar Point. Where have you been? ;) Raptor is a good ride.

A Talon clone wouldn't be so bad.

Raptor and Hulk are in the 'Wham-Bam' category if you ask me. They start off GREAT--and as a cobra-roll fan, they earn extra points--but after the midcourse, they roll over and fall asleep. Raptor ends with the 'Nuh uh! I was awake the whole time' helix, but that doesn't fool me. Montu gets confused after the MCBR, but at least it goes down swinging.

I plain don't 'get' Immelmans. Sorry. Doesn't tingle me. But Talon's spiral after that inversion? Oh, yeah. Good stuff. And the finale packs great pacing and a few spots of intensity.

My burning question: For a price of $14 million, what's so wrong with ordering seven inversions? What what what what WHAT? Lucky for us in hot-dish country, Avatar rips the small-intense-minimal inversions page right out of the CF playbook. Maybe they'll have to do better. Or not.

-'Playa

Raptor's second half is the best part. It wasn't back when they used the midcourse brakes but that was a long time ago.

^^LOL, I don't care for Cobra Rolls at all, but I'd sell my mother for a great Immelman...explains why I think Fire Dragon is the next best thing to a full-on gravy buffet... ;)

If I were at ValleyFair!, I'd be PUMPED to get Renegade instead of *any* non-RoS steel coaster.

Eh. It kinda makes its way back to the station, punctuated by a couple loops. In the right seat, the corkscrews had a good 'snap' to them even with the midcourse biting. But there's still no mistaking it for say, a batwing into a tunnel, a rush through a trench or interaction with nearby scenery.

I didn't ride it during BooBuzz and high winds kept it closed the next day. Another ride might change my mind. I have my doubts. But it could.

-'Playa

I guess it depends on the day you ride each specified coasater to be honest as well as bias's and opinion's. I thought Raptor and Magnum were the best rides at CP. I never felt airtime like MXL200 provided, not even on ET. However i felt MF was very lackluster, after riding all 3 SROS's I was expecting so much more. Eh to each his own I also happened to like DP.

Magnum is hands down my favorite steel coaster I've ever ridden, and I make it well known how much I dislike Dorney. To each his own, yah know?