Vekoma Flyers / Premier Spaghetti Bowls

Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:25 PM

Can Vekoma flyers run more than 2 trains? I am very curious about this because I have never seen X-Flight run more than 2.

Can Premier Spaghetti bowls really run 4 trains?!

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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:28 PM

XFlight does have 3 trains, never been on it though so I don't know how many usually operate. Owned by SF my guess is probably 1.

Any coaster can run 4 trains if there are five blocks. That would sorta be pointless though because since it has a launch the ride is so short that 2 would be on brakes, one in the bowl, and one in the station. Think about it. Most currently ran is 2 I believe on rides like Flight of Fear, Poltergiest, and Jokers Jinx.

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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:30 PM
Actually, *gasp* SFWoA usually runs 2!

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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:31 PM
I have been on Batwing while it had two trains. It couldn't run three. I remember it so well because I had to sit in 90 plus degree heat for five minutes on the brake run in the sun while the other one was getting ready for dispatch. The most I have seen is 2 on Joker's Jinx. I doubt they could run 4 and probably not three. The next train is always waiting for the other one to dispatch.

*** This post was edited by SFgadvMAN on 11/12/2002. ***

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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:35 PM

Actually I think the Premier Bowls can (in theory) run up to 5 trains. However all the bowls right now run only 2.

As for the Vekoma Flyers v.2, they (in theory) can run 3. Those also only run 2 as 3 was Vekoma dreaming ;)

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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:38 PM

S00perGIR said:

Can Premier Spaghetti bowls really run 4 trains?!

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I prefer the pears in the heavy syrup. They're just good.



No, they cannot, at most, they can run 2 trains. The launch bowl, and first set of brakes is 1 block, the station is another block, and the second set of brakes, before the station is another block. Total, is 3 blocks, and another train cannot be launched until the other train is on the brakes before the station.

Some parks order extra trains, in case a train has a problem, in which the park can take another train, and add it, and remove the defective train, inorder to keep the capacity the normal PPH.

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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:39 PM
Actually SFGADVMan, having to sit on the brake run was probably SF + (GP + Complicated Restraints) = Slow Dispatch Squared.

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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:41 PM

X-Flight and Batwing can run three trains if they are not in a Six Flags park. They would load much more efficiently if two trains were loading at the same time like they are supposed to.

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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:54 PM
Then Stealth at PGA runs 3, right?
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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 5:01 PM

FOF can in fact run four trains. Station one to Mid Course is one block.

Mid Course to Brakes is two block. Unload station is Three.

A block between stations is four and load station is five I belive .

Anyway it is possible to have one train loading one on the second half of the bowl. One unloading and one between the stations.

Shaggy could elaborate a lot better.

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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 5:21 PM
Oh come on! The spaghetti bowls last all of a minute. The train on the brakes doesn't move until inversion three, and the train in the station takes up the entire length of the station. There's no way that they could run four trains. As for the flyers, Batwing was usually running two trains this summer, either out of the same station, or both stations. I was told the third train will be used as a spare.
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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 5:24 PM
Stealth can and does only run two trains. There's one station, one set of brakes, and no midcourse.

Even if they had three trains they could never run them. PGA's crews are worse than SFWoA's.

-Nate

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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 5:31 PM

If it weren't for the restraints, Flight of Fear most certainly could run four trains. Remember, it has a seperate unload station. Granted, I could promise you that a train would almost end up sitting on the standby brakes uptrack of unload, but it could certainly be done.

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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 5:42 PM
Flight of Fear (Outer Limits) was originally designed to run 4 trains. The fourth train remained unused. They ran 3 with the OTSR's. Now, since the lap bars take so long to check, they run only two. Since they run two, They haven't activated the block while I have been on it.... I like it better that way.
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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:14 PM
Flight of Fear @ PKD ran 3 trains the last time I went. There is a block between the unload and load stations.
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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:51 PM
I said that Coreo LOL

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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 8:34 PM
I rode Flight of Fear at PKD, and I think it could prop run 4 trains,becuase their is two stations one loading one unloading ,then a set of brakes that can hold another train before unload staiton plus the block brakes which 99.9% stop the train dead in its tracks. so.... if you had a fast , I mean really fast crew one train loading, one train in the bowl once the first train in the bowl and hit,and passed the block brakes , the other could launch then leaving two in the bowl ,one loading the other unloading, so it can happen, , worse case they can have 3 trains stacked! ,with one inthe bowl, but these rides where designed right ,and it seems as if it was made to maybe run 4 trains if the park wanted to just to give the park more options , but I think it would be too much work for maybe under-payed workers? (not to throw darts ,which I am). The only time I would exspect PKD to run 4trains ever if is the park was closed due to capicty issues and every ride had 3hr lines. As for Batwing when I rode it had two trains loading unloading, and I belive it was only using one side of the station.
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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:37 PM
When I rode X-Flight the year it opened... there was one on the track, one unloading, and one loading.. thats three right? The train halted, load went out, train came in, and was unload, other was load first was on track..
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Tuesday, November 12, 2002 10:47 PM
I think i have been on FoF when there were three trains running. I believe I caught a glimpse of another train while in the darkness of the bowl. (Could have been the front/back of my train depending on where i was sitting) :) Coarse that would have been years ago as PKI all ways has such bad downtimes on their rides. (specially FoF)

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Wednesday, November 13, 2002 3:19 AM

In theory the Vekomas can run 3 trains. In practice the load time even with a good crew will always be long enough that it just won't be practical. You might be able to run 3 trains for ERT with a group of ACER's who have all ridden a Vekoma Flyer before, but that's not the crowd that you are going to have during normal operations.

The spaghetti bowls come in 2 distinct designs. The FOF's have mid course brakes and dual stations. The outdoor bowls have no midcourse brakes and a single station. The outdoor bowls are limited to 2 trains. I don't know enough about the blocking of the indoor bowls to be sure how many they can run.

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