track sighted at Cedar Point!!
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- Peabody
Lethal or not, whatever Hypersonic does is too much for my delicate little thighs to handle.
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- Peabody
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Ok, for everyone who's ready to convince me i'm wrong; I'm just quoting Discovery Channel! I saw this documentary about machines travelling beyond supersonic speeds and the effects of that on the pilots/operators. They also showed a fragment of an experiment performed in the US somewhere in the 50's. A man got strapped upfront a bunch of rockets, guided by rails. He travelled at around 950km per hour (600mph) before decelerating in a thin layer of water. According to Discovery, the man experienced - 42G, leaving permanent damage to his lungs, retina and vessels... But he survived! I watched the reruns to make sure i didn't get it wrong, but i heard it very clear: - 42G
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Werner Stengel: Ich sprich, denke und traüme Achterbahn!
Wake me up when you people have something REAL to talk about.
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"I am so smart! I am so smart! S-M-R-T! I mean S-M-A-R-T!" - Homer Simpson
CLOSE THIS THREAD! CLOSE THIS THREAD! CLOSE THIS THREAD!
Lets close it till we get some real info!
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You really need to get some more BRAN in your diet
Helios, i saw that show too and it was pretty mad stopping like that. Yes he survived but damn was it painful for him or what.
Why is it so hard to wait for a september announcement? I think all these speculation just ads to a dissapointment when it's finally announced just like when PKI and CP announced their 2002 coasters/rides. (not that all complained but there was some that did)
Let me take this opportunity to say that those of you begging for the topic to be closed seem to be the most gripped by it.
Everybody wants to be a moderator...
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Jeff - Webmaster/Admin - CoasterBuzz.com, Sillynonsense.com
"Let's stop saying 'don't quote me,' because if no one quotes you, you probably haven't said a thing worth saying." - Dogma, KMFDM
This thread doesn't bother me...actually its quite good for a laugh. No one is forcing me to click on the link, and I'm certainly not trying to be a moderator. Frankly at this point its more of a curiousity...at 13 pages and over 500 posts I keep asking myself "its just track, what could they possibly be talking about?"
But like you say: its your site. And I have no problem with the way you run it ;-)
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Theres a couple things in reference to the size of this thing I would like to point out.
Getting your hopes up:
Don't. Everyone got their hopes up on what Wicked Twister was going to be, and there were many that came out disappointed. I wasen't, especially seeing how good the capacity wound up being on that thing.
The height on this thing:
I have heard things about the 425' range. It doesn't mean it will or it won't. Many seem to be stuck on the T-452 number, well if there is someone out there with a picture of a M. Force or Xcellerator shipping label, please see what that says. If MF has a G-310 number on it, then perhaps there is something size-wise to do with that number.
Ride removals:
Cedar Point hates spending money unless they have to. If they can avoid it, they probally wont take out or move anything they don't have to.
Just my 2¢
...forgive me for beating a dead horse, but I'm just catching up.
I made some assumptions. 110 mph launch ending 50' above the ground, a circular, 4g entry (~190' radius), and a height of 420'. I did this after I spoke some with Lance at www.screamscape.com about the physical possibility of the rumored coaster.
Over the top, roughly, the train would be traveling at 32.23 mph. Theoretically, that's plenty fast. I neglected a few things, though.
Namely, the curvature of the top part of a top hat element, and, erm FRICTION. Seeing as Chris hit the nail on the head, and I haven't the foggiest idea as to how much one of those trains weigh, nor what sort of mu to use, I just didn't bother.
But, then, taking into account those losses, what's a more realistic speed? Would it lose 10 mph? 20? I am not sure. In either case, in my opinion, that's cutting it a bit close. Maybe it'll launch faster, maybe it'll be shorter.
Hopefully, it's not another gimmick, I guess.
...and wow, -6 g's. Xcelerator must have *quite* the safety factor built in.
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Helios, SFGAMman:
I too saw that show. A scientist a while back (before computers) tested all the G force experiments on himself. Most people thought 20 Gs in any form would be lethal. (His experiments basically involved a rocket sled on tracks crashing into a wall!)
This fellow thought he could take 40 Gs. He did! (For a less than a second) Both his retnas detached. Both his lungs collapsed. MANY of his bones were shattered! He survived (and his body was repaired), and I guess that was the point. He proved it could be survivable.
Fighter jet pilots experience 20+ Gs for a fraction of a second upon ejection. Most pilots who eject say they are literally an inch shorter for the rest of their life because of the force. In fact, it is so traumatic to the body that I believe you are grounded from military flight service if you have to make a second ejection in your career. It takes too much of a toll on your body.
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- Peabody
Chris Godsey said:
And I would like to know how you people are computing these speed numbers when you have no idea how much the mass is on the trains... What if the trains are longer to help out with capacity? Does anyone here know the exact mass of a loaded Intamin Rocket coaster train??? I didnt think so....If the vertical ascent begins in the 50 foot area, 110 mph is PLENTY of speed to get the train over the rumored height of 420 feet. That should be sufficient enough for now
Because the mass is irrelevent in the equation. Gravity is a force in "meters per second squared". There is no mass element in that equation. If you get the train up to a certain speed, it will go up to a certain height and fall back. The mass of the train doesn't matter.
Of course, where the mass DOES matter is in how much energy it takes to get the train up to any given speed. The heavier the train, the more energy it takes to get it to accelerate to a given velocity.
Don't you remember the demonstration they did on the moon, dropping a hammer and a feather at the same time? They both hit the ground at the same time. Mass doesn't matter in calculations of this sort.
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Jeff said:
Let me take this opportunity to say that those of you begging for the topic to be closed seem to be the most gripped by it.
Everybody wants to be a moderator...
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And I so know it is true, that is what is so sad :)
And yes, every once in a while I get "moderator envy" :)
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Closed topic.
