Thoughts About Outlaw Run

Toro's.

^^ Bizarro originally had a yellow lapbar with a single post in the middle, like Millennium Force. When I rode it, it had a larger lapbar with a post on either side, squeezing your legs between and trapping your toes beneath the piece that holds these bars. I found it surprisingly constrictive, because my body couldn't just go with the G's, instead snapping at the waist.

Also, the added speakers necessitated a higher seat back, restricting the view and giving you something to bump into if you put your arms up. All around I was pretty McKayla about it.

Ah...I don't mind Toro's restraints, so this would not bother me...wish I would've ridden prior to the change though...

Of course, wish I could ride it at all.

I really like Bizarro's new restraints. They aren't nearly as unpleasant as those SFA's Superman got.

birdhombre said:

Not to sound like an enthusiast who whines about Intamin's restraints



I'm restraint sensitive, but here is the best restraints ever for a steel coaster (ironically, built by Intamin). They work remarkably well, and are so comfy.

birdhombre said:

I do believe Suparro™ might have actually been enjoyable with the original, MillenniumForce-style lapbars.

It was excellent. I haven't ridden it since the upgrade with the huge new wrap around head rests. I think I'd rather remember it as I rode in the early 2000s. Except for the time an overzealous ride op pushed all her weight on my lap bar 2 extra times after I told her it was already down all the way (and I was telling the truth). That one ended me up in first aid; yes, it really hurt. It was the year after the accident there, so we had to be punished I guess.

I rode Millennium Force one time, and it was at night. Best coaster I ever rode, and I rode Bizzarro 5 times in one day. It just does not compare. I love MF's repeated big hills and big drops, that's why it's my number one.

The axed the speakers and audio on Bizzdusa so maybe the SFNE Bizzaro will too.

bjames said:

I love MF's repeated big hills and big drops, that's why it's my number one.

Maybe I rode a different MF, but I seem to be missing the repeated big hills part.

The banked turns and high speeds of MF are fun - but the extreme ridiculous airtime on the original S:RoS triplets beat anything in the US until Toro came along...

Man, I gotta ride Bizarro. That's it! Making it my number one coasting priority this year!!

rollergator said:

but the extreme ridiculous airtime on the original S:RoS triplets beat anything in the US until Toro came along...

Those rides have good uplift forces, I agree :) I prefer a little more movement with my airtime. A hold on with both hands drop is a good drop! (Look close, the rear wheel is already off the track as far as it can go.) That's what I'm talkin' bout.

But at this point, 35 degrees in Chicago, I'll take anything.

I'll give you points for your tenacity, but it's never going to catch on.

It's airtime, man.

I might be somewhat more inclined to agree with Billy's position if we were talking about a GCI coaster or an OTSR'd ride where the restraint really can prevent any "out-of-seat" experience. When I rode S:RoS, the restraints were secured, but we were not stapled by any means...that photo hill alone was simply MASSIVE...makes me giddy just recalling how fabulous that ride was.

WildStangAlex said:

Maybe I rode a different MF, but I seem to be missing the repeated big hills part.

First hill, second hill, third hill - repeated big hills.

Lord Gonchar said:

I'll give you points for your tenacity, but it's never going to catch on.

It's airtime, man.

I understand. I was just noting my preference :)

On the subject of restraints, wanted to reply to another post but site wouldn't let me so will just say that as far as Outlaw Run and I305 are concerned, the restraints on one strike me as inadequate and on the other, unnecessary. I will be riding Outlaw Run at the beginning of June and feel uncomfortable with the idea of going through inversions with only a lap bar and shin restraint. I would much prefer a harness. On the other hand, I think that the harnesses on I305 are unnecessary. This ride would be fine with a lap bar and seat belt of the same type that's on Millennium Force. As much as I enjoyed I305, I found the restraints a nuisance and had trouble getting out of them. Of course, being a klutz when it comes to anything mechanical, I always have this problem when harnessed in. On coasters which have a harness and seat belt that fastens to the harness - good examples are Griffon and Bizarro SFGA - I do not know how to unfasten the seat belt when the ride is over. It seems as if it should work much like the seat belt on an aircraft but doesn't. Every time I had ridden something like Griffon or Bizarro/Medusa I have had to get someone to extricate me from my seat. It's embarrassing to be so helpless but that's how it is.

Lift up on buckle with one hand, pull belt out of buckle with other.

Regarding the lapbar on Outlaw Run vs. the unnecessary harness on I305, I had a fun, lengthy debate 9 years ago about unnecessary harnesses.

In my opinion, the lateral forces on I305 are substantial enough to warrant the extra restraint support for the upper body.

There were most definitely parts of Skyrush where the train twisted one direction and my body continued going straight. My upper body was well outside the footprint of the seat. I don't think I was anywhere near coming out, but my goodness did it feel like I was.

I'd argue that IF I305's OTSRs were absolutely necessary, their purpose would be more likely to restrict forward movement of the upper body during the intense positive Gs. Be sure to read RideMan's posts in the thread I linked to for the best method of restricting lateral movement (i.e. not at the head or neck). Granted, I305's new restraints address that, but the fact that Skyrush has only lapbars to me is proof enough that OTSRs are not needed on even the most violent of rides.